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Michael, thank you for the creativity and thank you for sharing it with all of us. 0:54 by and Miriam Gman as a for we hope that she together with Israel has a complete and enduring raff so we'll say so let's begin today's d is sadik 90 we are picking up bless you on days 89b towards the 1:14 end of the la literally last line of the da if you remember again yesterday towards the end of the d we did it a little bit quickly but important Nevertheless, which was we spoke about the cases where a carbon was 1:29 offered up and even though it was offered up the accompanying are still offered up as part of that carbon as well and we discussed the reason for that was because if were you to not offer up the ultimately the carbon 1:45 itself would become compromised. 1:47 gave a variety of different examples of that was saying the cases that we quoted yesterday. 1:56 It makes sense because those are all cases of olos type of sadic when it comes to an if the worst case scenario is if it's not offered up as an it could always be offered up as an i.e. 2:14 What the is saying is that with the cases that we spoke about yesterday with the cases we spoke about yesterday. 2:21 So even in the event that it can't be offered up as an obligatory offering, it can absolutely be offered up as a voluntary offering. 2:32 will say but in our case over here if you do not go ahead and offer it up in its original fashion say ultimately again is there ever a case of which could we offer up as an of course the answer 2:47 to that is no right that supports you have an not for its original intentional oh shalom or say for that matter the blood was not placed on the so isabi ultimately again it is considered anah for the purposes and it 3:17 requires it requires another asham ultimately again to permit it where just ends off by saying he's quoting the like namely that if you go ahead and you offer up meaning you offer it up just a but note. 3:36 So the ultimately is that you will offer it up meaning the carbon itself works. 3:41 You have to bring the accompanying but it does not satisfy the obligation of the which say is the ultimately again that we've seen by many that if they're offered up the carbon itself still works. 3:56 The novelty of is that it works and you also have to bring the accompanying but it doesn't satisfy your obligation and you're obligated to bring another carbon ultimately to satisfy your obligation. 4:09 Beautiful says the another very interesting all of the measures. 4:20 We're speaking specifically now about dry measures. 4:22 All of the dry measures inside of the Bikto were say nikdash means heaped. 4:28 Heaped. Remember again there are two ways that you could fill up a dry measure utensil. 4:33 You could level it, right? 4:35 Or you could heap it. 4:36 So the says that all of the measures in the BD were heaped. 4:40 Now we'll discuss what that means. 4:44 Now understand what that means. 4:46 What that means is that if you say that something is heaped. 4:50 So then what that means is that remember the amount of the amount of flour right for a regular is how much is one is. 4:59 So remember again we already spoke about the idea that there was an isar utensil. 5:02 So what it means is as follows. 5:04 If there was an iss utensil that means if you hold that they were heaped that the utensil itself meaning we'll call within the walls of the utensil did not contain an isuro. 5:15 The way the utensil was designed is that the inside the what we call the the inside of the the cavity of the utensil right held X but in order to complete the measure you had to pile right you had to 5:28 heap ultimately the dry measure that altogether created the isar measurement. 5:35 With the exception ultimately again of the coin meaning of the coin say means with the exception of the coin godles coin's utensil which again the called the cavity of the utensil contained contained the full measure of the rash says that 6:02 it was so large that even once it was leveled out it still contained an so the goes say what about again the measurement for for a liquid measurement so actually another very interesting aloh what about we spoke we spoke about 6:21 this in passing the other day what about spillage right what about spillage what about if something goes over the sides of the utensil what's the status of spillage the right word >> sounds good >> yeah spillage Right. 6:33 Okay. Good. Overflow. Overflow. 6:35 Right. If overflow of the utensil is that kadosh or not. 6:39 So the gimar says kesh. 6:43 So we'll say when it comes to liquid measurements ultimately again the overflow is kesh as well. 6:52 We'll say interestingly enough when it comes to the overflow of dry measure. 6:56 So that ultimately again is going to be. 6:58 So very interesting. So overflow of liquid measures will be kesh overflow of solid measures are says he says disagrees he says that even well I shouldn't say that ultimately overflow of liquid is kesh I should say differently says which means 7:24 we'll say now just follow this for just a moment that the utensils used to measure liquids. 7:31 Those utensils themselves were consecrated. 7:33 The measuring utensils themselves were consecrated. 7:36 Therefore, because the measuring utensils are consecrated, the overflow is consecrated as well. 7:44 But the utensils used to measure dry measures were not consecrated. 7:49 Therefore, therefore, their overflow was as well. 7:55 Rabio say Rabi seems to be adding. 7:58 Well, we'll see Rabika is adding seems to disagree with Rabi's logic and he says Rabiosi. 8:12 See, here's what's interesting. 8:13 Everyone seems to agree with the distinction between liquid and solid, right? 8:19 That liquid measures the overflow will be kesh. 8:22 Remember again that everyone seems to be saying from the beginning and the overflow ultimately again from from dry measures will not be kesh. 8:31 Rabi yaka understands that that it's not a function of the identity of overflow. 8:36 It's an identity of the function of the utensil. 8:39 Liquid measures the utensils themselves are kesh. 8:42 Therefore the overflow is kesh. 8:44 Dry measures the utensil itself is therefore the overflow ultimately is also hole. 8:49 Rabiosi says no it's not that raiosi says it's something different you could even say that both types of of utensils are kesh I so why difference between the overflow of liquid and solid this is amazing raiosi understands that the science 9:03 of liquids is as follows when you go ahead see we often understand that when you pour in so I have a full cup a full cup and I pour in more liquid so what happens so the liquid overflows which liquid 9:15 overflows so we'll say so we often assume a lifo right a LIFO method, right? 9:20 Last in, first out, right? 9:22 So, what what whatever comes into the coffee cup last is what comes out first. 9:27 Rabio says, not necessarily. 9:29 It's al possible that with liquid, when you pour more liquid in, what does it do? 9:33 It churns up the entire utensil of liquid. 9:36 And it's possible that that which was already in the utensil comes out. 9:40 Well, say what's the see if you tell me LIFO last and first out, then that means the liquid that was poured in last really was never in the cle. 9:48 If it was never in the clay, it never became kesh. 9:50 Never became kesh. It's not kesh. 9:52 If on the other hand, you hold that the clay itself gets churned up. 9:55 I don't know if churned up is the right word, but you understand gets right gets churned up and therefore again it's possible that liquid that was already in the utensil comes out comes out then it's possible that ultimately again that would 10:05 be kesh as well. 10:07 >> So I'm sorry >> right yakov. 10:11 Oh, it's it's a lifo versus fo mus in rashi right by by last and first out first in first out. 10:20 Yeah. Or first and last out which there's no I don't think there's a pho right but okay good in any event says the money. 10:27 So let's analyze this. 10:30 So listen to this if so whose opinion does the Mishna reflect? 10:34 See rebates. Remember again the Mishna said that all of the measurements in the Bikto were all he with the exception ultimately again of the co says their say ultimately held that there was one utensil for measuring out and it was 10:54 a heaped utensil. So that was one one utensil for regular and if you want to say also there was one measuring utensil but hold that what that ultimately it was a leveled utensil. 11:10 So whose opinion does our Mishna reflect mayor really? 11:15 It's Rabi Mayor. What does Rabbi may say when he means say interestingly enough the suggest it is the position of Rabi Mayor and doesn't have to be read as all measuring utensils but rather again can be read as what? 11:33 All measurements. All measurements that were taken every time something measured was taken in the mdash ultimately again it was it was a heaped measure they're supposed to say so remember again now we have the so remember we have on one 11:54 hand the tanakama telling me that ultimately well see here's what's interesting everyone seems to agree that overflow liquid is kesh overflow dry measure is right. 12:05 So Rabaka gives his logic. 12:08 Rabika ascribes this to the nature and identity ultimately of the utensils themselves versus Rabiosi who understands that that this is more about the movement of liquids versus solids. 12:21 So it says so we'll say hold like this. 12:27 This is actually very interesting. 12:39 So we'll say this is really quite fascinating. 12:41 Satan holds that the liquid measurement utensils are consecrated both on the inside and on the outside. 12:49 Which means that what if liquid hits the utensil either on the inside of the utensil or on the outside of the utensil. 12:57 The liquid itself will be kesh. 12:58 Therefore, again the overflow which say again never touches the inside of the utensil but certainly what touches the outside of the utensil will also be on the other hand dry measure utensils are considered to be they are kesh on the 13:17 inside but not kesh on the outside. 13:20 We'll say why the difference this is just the way that the kadusha of the utensils and the mikdash was set up and therefore again fine look look at rashi for just a moment in irregular rash on top. 13:34 So because the outside of the utensil was not anointed was not consecrated. 13:39 Therefore again any kind of overflow remains unconsecrated. 13:43 So say that is the opinion of the holds. 13:52 So says so far agrees he agrees that yes the the liquid utensil measuring utensil is kesh on the inside and on the outside. 14:00 Therefore again overflow will be kesh as well. 14:07 say now what's fascinating about this is in Rabi's model Raba holds that the utensil used for dry measures is not kesh at all it's not kesh at all now what does that mean if it's not kesh at all then what 14:23 say then I have a bigger question than overflow what's my question what's my question the actual contents of the utensil itself so again look at rashi tap tap part of rashi The utensil itself is not a consecrated utensil. 14:46 say the flower that is contained inside becomes because I verbally designate it as being therefore say only that which I need do I verbally designate as kesh and therefore only that which is in the utensil ultimately is kesh but that 15:09 which overflows is ultimately not going to be kesh. 15:12 So we'll say so already begin. 15:14 So you already see the first point of contention over here is the dry measure utensil telling you that what is the status of the dry measure utensil again it's kesh on the inside but not kesh on the outside the dry 15:28 measure utensil is not kesh at all I say how are the contents of the kesh I verbally designate them as being kesh but what am I verbally designating only that which is necessary ultimately again for the carbon itself that which 15:41 is not necessary the i.e The overflow is not kesh. 15:44 So it comes along says this is actually a really riveting guess is that both the dry utensil and liquid utensil are both consecrated on the inside and not on the outside. 16:03 I so how do you account for the difference between overflow of liquid which is considered to be coldish and overflow of solid which is not? 16:10 I'll tell you. And the reason the distinction of is because we assume that when liquid is poured into a cle it displaces it displaces the liquid that was already inside of the cle and therefore the liquid that comes out may 16:29 be liquid that was already inside of the liquids coming from inside the cle. 16:35 So remember again raiosi's model is that both liquid liquid utensils and or when I say liquid liquid measure utensil and dry measure utensil are both so if you hold that when liquid is poured in it displaces liquid that was already 16:50 inside the utensil that liquid inside the utensil was already kesh therefore again when it overflows the kle it's possible that the overflow liquid of o say was liquid that was already inside the cle not just liquid that was poured last 17:02 we don't say lio but rather again it's possible that it was liquid liquid was already inside the k that was already consecrated and therefore again he will say that the overflow by liquid will be kesh on the other hand say 17:15 by solids by solids there's no such thing as displacement in other words say so a very simple idea if you have a utensil that is filled with flour and you pour on a heaped measure to the point that the flower 17:26 overflows the sides of the cle there's no amino that the flower that was at the bottom of that cle was the flower that overflowed because that's just not the way properties of solids. 17:37 Therefore, again, we assume that that which overflows the cle was never what was never inside the cle because it was never inside the cle. 17:45 Therefore, what it's not kesh as opposed to like say really quite a riveting mlo that really if you think about it really is centered on the very identity of the measuring utensils of the basikt. 17:59 Did they have sanctity or not? 18:02 Tanakama telling me dry measures inside, excuse me, liquid measures inside and outside. 18:09 Dry measures inside, yes. 18:11 Outside, no. Rabi ultimately again, liquid measure inside and outside. 18:17 Dry measure not at all. 18:20 And Rabiosi telling me that the truth is it's really not a function of the it's we could assume that the inside of the utensils ultimately again are kesh, not the outsides, not the outsides. 18:31 And this is really a issue of displacement. 18:34 Liquid displaces liquid that was inside the utensil. 18:37 Therefore, liquid that therefore it's possible liquid inside the utensil is the one that poured out. 18:41 Solids do not displace one another. 18:43 And therefore, again, whatever pours over the side with stuff that was never inside the cle to begin with and therefore is not kesh. 18:51 Incredible. So the says the says but say even if we say I'm sorry but ultimately again even if we say that that liquid displaces liquid that was already inside the so that the overflow was liquid that was inside the who 19:13 cares say in general in general there's an understanding that when it comes to measuring things out foric purposes there may be a bit of extra and I will say a person's kabana is that I only intend on what on being 19:29 mish that which I need I'm only going to be makdish the amount of flour that I need I'm only going to be makdish the amount of wine that I need and therefore by definition anything that is extra should be anything 19:42 extra should simply not bead slow me So we'll say what do you see from here? 19:52 You see from here that a cleichar a service utensil has the ability to sanctify an item even without the intention of the owner. 19:59 So the fact that these items hit a by definition sanctifies them even though may be to the contrary says no not necessarily ultimately we could say that that is only say the only way is if you have intention for it 20:21 to do so. So what's the issue over here? 20:26 And I will say the concern over here is the concern over here is that people will think that you could take if if we see if we see that ultimately again that you're taking you're taking um overflow and ultimately using 20:43 it for unconsecrated purposes. 20:45 People don't understand the halos of overflow and spillage but rather ultimately again what people see are items in aaris. 20:54 If you go ahead and you take items from and now you start to use them for purposes even though maybe you can right we're nervous about that. 21:02 So apparently when it comes ultimately again when it comes when it comes ultimately to solids so people understand that solid itself was never inside the utensil when it comes to liquids which much more concerned because people understand the or the 21:18 science of displacement. So because of that once the once the liquid hits the the the clearice even though again the overflow may have never been actually inside the cle because it's possible that it was inside the cle we're not going 21:31 to let you use it for purposes because people will come to erroneously think that you could take something out of a cleich and use it for unconsecrated purposes actually a fascinating case so listen to this you made a mistake upon 21:50 him is supposed to be placed on the on shabas itself and it's supposed to remain there for an entire week until the next shabas then you take it off give it to the kohanim put the new breads on listen to 22:02 this case in this situation over here you forgot to put the bread on the on shabas he put it there on Sunday you go and you offer up the the the the spoons of frankincense on shabas the bread It's a problem, 22:20 right? It's possible. Why is it possible? 22:21 Because the is that the has to be on the for two shabas. 22:26 The first shabas that it's placed on and has to be the second shabas ultimately when it's taken off. 22:30 If it's only there Sunday, they have a problem. 22:32 So what can you do? 22:36 Leave the same on the for one more shabas. 22:40 Interesting. Leave it on the for one more. 22:48 So we'll say interestingly enough apparently there is no issue with leaving the bread the the on for a prolonged period of time. 22:56 So fasting says okay you didn't have it there two shab you put it there on Sunday instead of shabas no problem leave it there one more week leave it there one more week so effectively the same will be on the 23:06 for two weeks so but why is that so so we'll say again why aren't we concerned that people will come to erroneously think based on that that what that you can leave sacrificial or consecrated items in a clich for a prolonged 23:26 period of time. Now, normally the is if you leave something in a clich for a prolonged period of time, what is that called? 23:33 What is that called? 23:34 Lena that's called Lena right that's called ultimately again leaving it leaving it for a prolonged period of time which is which is absol we're nervous to allow you to use this village right because the overflow because people will say you 23:49 could take from a clich and use it for why aren't we concerned to leave the on the for two weeks why aren't we concerned that people will say oh you could just leave consecrated stuff in a no problem if you 24:00 wish says no no noar says Remember the is done inside the mdash. 24:08 Who sees the inside of the mikdash right a couple of versus the measuring utensils. 24:16 This was done in public view say you know what happens in the B mikdash stays in the B mikdash. 24:25 So ultimately again people who who sees what's happening inside the BA md no one sees it. 24:30 So because no one sees it ultimately again people aren't going to come to make any kind of mistakes versus outside of the mdash that's when people come to make mistakes. 24:39 So once we learn there is back another interesting we'll get to the uh I want to show you the but we'll get to the first say the leftover of is given for what we call dessert for the what does that 24:57 mean? What does mean the leftover of the means? 25:04 means the additional measures, right? 25:07 The overflow overflow ultimately again is dedicated to the what we call the kesh. 25:13 So we swam a kb before the idea is when it comes to the misb we don't like the mb to remain dormant or idle and therefore again in the event that no one was bringing carbonos. 25:22 There was always like what we call a dessert fund. 25:25 The dessert fund was there to ensure that the mb was never idle and the should bring carbonos if no one else was bringing carbonos. 25:32 So therefore again any of the overflow from the was dedicated ultimately again for this particular for this particular purpose says no no no it's not the overflow but rather again it was the heaping of the measure says that the measures were 25:52 normally leveled off when you leveled it off anything extra was set aside ultimately again for the time holds as follows says This is actually interesting. 26:11 Let's say a person takes upon himself to provide flour for the see commits himself ultimately again to provide flour at four sitta that that's the that's the amount that he's committing to four sitta and what happens. 26:29 So we'll say then what happens the price goes up. 26:32 So now you can only get three sin of flour for a seller. 26:36 But yet he made the commitment to the B mikdash for four sin for perah you have to provide the ba mikdash the flower at the price that essentially when you give flower when you pledge to the b mikdash you lock in 26:49 the price at the time of the pledge. 26:51 So even if the price goes up and I can only get three sin per cellah you still have to go ahead and give four sin per cell. 26:57 On the other hand, say what happens if now at the time you made your promise you can go ahead and what only provide three perah and then what happens say the price goes down. 27:10 So now you could go ahead and provide four what's you have to give four not because what's the logic ultimately the always has the advantage. 27:29 So we'll say so ultimately again the say so this would be an example by the way of moser. 27:37 So we'll say so over here what do you see? 27:39 So let's say in this particular case where you pledged three but it turns out that what that you're giving four you're giving four because the price went down. 27:47 So we'll say what do we do with that extra so we set that aside for most for we put that in the what we call additional carbon fund that in the event that ultimately the is dormant the mdash has funds 28:00 to be able to use to purchase additional carbonos that supports When we say ultimately again, let me say it differently. 28:18 When you have these additional measurements, most remember when you leveled off when you leveled off the flower and you have that additional flower. 28:26 So what do you do with it? 28:30 If there's another carbon being offered that requires that requires this extra measure offer it up with this other carbon and if they sit overnight then ultimately again become possible with if they have not yet become possible with what you can 28:47 do is you can go ahead and use it for dessert of the zah and ultimately again what would they offer up for olos. 29:00 They would offer up, excuse me, the meat would go as a carbon for ultimately again the would be used for the supposed if a person took upon himself to provide flour for the mdash at a at a at a rate 29:23 of what we call four perah but then the price goes up. 29:28 You can only provide three sin perah. 29:31 So is you have to still provide the four that you promised. 29:36 On the flip side say ultimately again if you promised three but then the price went down you could do you give four. 29:45 Why ultimately again always has the upper hand most say this will be the example when we say that the extra measurements ultimately again go to the dessert fund of the misbeh so say what does it mean extra measurements so this 30:02 would be an example of it I pledged to give three sin per cella which was the goi marketplace at the time I made my commitment price then goes down I now could get four sin per cella I have an obligation 30:12 to give four sin per cella now but I only pledged three. 30:15 So what happens with the extra one goes to the but sets it aside and uses it for what we call this K fund that in the event that the is dormant for some reason this fund we go ahead and we used 30:29 to bring additional carbonos good so now we go back so first of all so that ends this but again we want to just close out what's the story with the utensils because remember again going back to our three is tanakama 30:42 raaka raiosi What's this? 30:45 What's the status of the liquid utensils? 30:48 The dry measure utensils. 30:49 So the says like this. 31:05 So we'll say so the is that ultimately again liquid measure utensils are kadosh on the inside and on the outside versus dry measure utensils which are only on the inside not on the outside. 31:23 Therefore, overflow from a liquid utensil is kesh because the overflow whether it's coming from the inside or hits the outside will be kesh and ultimately again the overflow from dry measure utensils will be and say now it all comes together 31:40 and what do you do with the additional amounts of the overflow from the they would even though it's they would still use it for the bdash for what for what for the for the dessert dirt fund why not just let 31:53 it go out to because that's what we saw before we're concerned that people will come to think that you could take something from a clich and just subtly use it for mundane purposes so ultimately again the pas like the position 32:04 of the tanakama incredible says the Mishna says the Mishna really really interesting says the Mishna carbon so here we go let's go back so all communal offerings and individual offerings so we'll say in general all carbonos come with mis. 32:22 Okay, now we're gonna see all the rule is going to be allanas come with except what? 32:28 Except the ones that don't, right? 32:29 Except the ones that don't. 32:30 So watch this. say all general communal offerings, individual offerings require with the exception ultimately again of the offering of the offering, the pes offering and that's all right. 32:53 Those are all the exceptions. 32:57 And however, there is even though we just said normally doesn't get there is a which does get the and the ultimately again require require libations. 33:11 Good says the here we go say now we're going to go through and try to understand how we know which require which don't require. 33:20 So so the says you shall go ahead and make for them a fire offering to Hashem. 33:30 So, so I might have thought that anything that is placed on the fire ultimately again requires which would include every single carbon maybe even a ultimately requires the says which requires I so okay so now I know that requires how 33:56 do I know that requires as Therefore, we'll say the uses a more generic term ultimately of what of ze just means a requires. 34:12 So say the o comes to include something additional. 34:20 So at that point if you're gonna say maybe comes to include what allos so maybe I should include therefore the says to fulfill a type of carbon which technically can be brought as a or as in ultimately requires say which 34:51 cannot come as a nether or as a so we'll say here the for the first time espousing a rule the rule is a carbon which could potentially come as a or requires a carbon which can never come as a nether 35:10 or does not require say now it all begins to come together now we begin to understand the exclusions you cannot bring a nether their katos can't say you know what I feel I feel like I just want to bring a 35:23 kos right I didn't do anything wrong but you know I'm I'm kind of like a team player someone did something wrong so I'm going to go ahead and bring it doesn't work you can't you can't bring a kas like that 35:34 you can't bring a pes like that so we'll say so if it can't be brought to nether or then it doesn't get so we'll say so now this comes to exclude the list we said above So I say ultimately again 35:53 maybe I should also exclude obligatory offerings which come on because of so we'll say ultimately again what's the example of this say maybe ultimately again which are the different ultimately often go ahead and get either therefore The says or theos 36:19 which are brought on your ultimately again anything that is brought on your i.e requiring say okay so now you're telling me it comes to include these other so maybe I'll go ahead and include the case of as well ultimately again 36:47 because often because this could be brought as an obligatory offering on the regal as well say if you look at rashi rashi says over here since the ultimately again is brought on the it should require as well. 37:10 Now if you look at say is amazing. 37:21 No, this is amazing. 37:22 There's a brought every including when including onesh look at that. 37:29 So thought therefore again you just told me before that any carbon that is brought on requires well offering. 37:38 So if that's the case, I should bring the I should bring for the as well to which the says therefore the says so shall you do for the Benbak. 37:51 Now what does this mean wasn't the general principle of all why is it why is the single it out to make a heish to it just like the buck could be brought as a ultimately again so say which type of 38:15 requires requires in the only which can be brought as a so we begin to see over and over and over. 38:22 This is the guiding light principle. 38:24 If the carbon can be brought as a or then what? 38:29 Then it comes with if it cannot be brought as it does not get. 38:36 So the so why does the come along and say to create the pleasing when the set before I might have thought so now we established before that gets I would have thought that that applies to even what even a bird 39:01 so says no it's only if it's does it get but ultimately again if it's an oath it does not get you don't need this Joshua how are you Omar zak This is I'm sorry the say and what is not always 39:29 refers to an animal offering and is not if that's the case why does have to say because a person from among you will offer up a toe from say that if a person says so take upon myself then maybe I 39:58 have to bring both and therefore say the says from bak or from ultimately again if you want to bring one you can bring one if you want to bring two. 40:16 You could bring two. 40:17 All right. 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