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0:00 I know. You wouldn't know if it's sunny and shiny usually, but all right. 0:09 I think we'd get it. 0:10 We'd get him a zoom in. 0:11 Give him a zoom in. 0:16 Welcome back, Michael. Good morning. 0:19 All right. All right. 0:25 What are we up to? 0:31 That's a source. >> [clears throat] >> That's a source. 0:35 All right. You will say good morning. 0:36 Let's begin. Let's begin. 0:39 So, we are picking up today's daf is we actually have a really an incredible daf ahead of us today. 0:43 It's It's managed like It's almost It's almost like a dream. 0:48 That's how good it is. 0:49 You will say. So, let's go back there. 0:50 So, we're picking up 36b. 0:52 We actually we left off a little bit in the middle of a yesterday. 0:57 We left off have a which is two four two four six eight lines up from the bottom on 36b. 1:07 So, remember again we will say we were dealing with yesterday the really very interesting concept of which means the concept that although in order to become normally an item has to has to have contact with a liquid, right? 1:19 But, we see that when it comes to items called sacrificial items, there's a concept called which literally means the love of sanctity, which essentially means that when something is of such a sanctified state it becomes much more sensitive and receptive 1:34 to Therefore, again even without the contact with liquid, what happens is receptive to where did this come up? 1:44 So, this came up ultimately again in the discussion or in the of which because which raised the issue of what? 1:51 raised that if I have a and there is a dry clump of the that did not come in contact with the oil. 1:57 So, the Reish Lakish took it for granted that the clump is mekabel tumah. 2:03 We'll say, "What was his shailah again? 2:04 Remember again? What was his shailah from yesterday?" 2:07 Good. The shailah was, "Does it transmit tumah?" 2:10 Right? Does Good. Good. 2:11 I know you just you're mamash you're internalizing the lessons of the piyus. 2:15 That's now of humility. 2:16 Mamash the iron through Good. 2:17 Incredible. Right? So, I'll say So, the shailah is, "Does it transmit tumah or not?" 2:21 So, we'll say So, the Gemara was trying to figure out Okay. 2:24 So, now we'll say So, now we're trying to figure out How do we know ultimately again going back for just a moment How is it that kodesh becomes that kodesh becomes that kodesh becomes subject to tumah? 2:35 So, we'll say So, the Gemara says, "Vedelma, maybe we're dealing with the following case. 2:40 Vedelma, um I'm sorry. 2:54 So, we'll say So, maybe the case over here that we're dealing with kodesh, where ultimately again the basar sacrificial meat becomes receptive to tumah, is a situation where you led the cow to the Beis Hamikdash through a river. 3:04 And by the time you shecht it, it's still wet. 3:06 Maybe that's why it's mekabel tumah, because ultimately there was water. 3:09 Elements safer. Rather, we'll say So, the Gemara says, "Look at the end of the pasuk. 3:11 What's the end of the pasuk? 3:13 Vahabasar." So, we'll say What do we learn from the word vahabasar? 3:16 "Lerabos eitzim ulivonah." We'll say to teach me that what? 3:20 That eitzim ulivonah, that both of the wood as well as the frankincense, which are non-food items, ultimately again go ahead and are mekabel tumah like ochelin. 3:31 Eitzim ulivonah ben echelinu. 3:33 But, we'll say Eitzim ulivonah food items? 3:35 Elo chibas kodesh machshil um mishabeil u'ocheil. 3:39 Hach nami chibas kodesh machsharta. 3:41 Rather, we'll say Just like eitzim ulivonah are only mekabel tumah how? 3:45 Because of chibas kodesh. 3:46 So, too, we'll say we see by other sacrificial items, so chibas kodesh also makes them much shalah kabel tumah. 3:52 Beautiful. Top of Lamed Zayin. 3:54 So the Gemara says, "Okay, but you don't have to listen to this." 3:57 So we're saying now we've established is the concept of Kodesh, which means we're saying incredibly all this concept, which means what? 4:04 That Maseh, even in the absence of contact with a liquid, a sacrificial item is Tumah. 4:11 So the Gemara says, "Great, now we've established that. 4:13 But understand, you have not addressed the core question of Lakish." 4:18 So the top of Lamed Zayin Daled. 4:20 Kima Kodesh the the capital of Tumah. 4:23 I'll remember the original law. 4:26 I'll do my Shana. 4:27 But also but here's our Shana. 4:29 Our Shana is when we say that something becomes that something is Tumah as a result of Kodesh, does that just mean that the item itself has the ability to receive Tumah, but not transmit, or does it have the ability to 4:43 transmit as well? To which the Gemara says, "Teko." 4:47 So we'll say so amazingly enough we end up with the Teko. 4:50 So here's what we'll say the takeaway. 4:51 The takeaway is that Maseh, there is a concept of Kodesh, which means that sacrificial items have the ability to Tumah even if what? 4:59 Even if what? They do not come in contact with a liquid. 5:03 Does an item which contracts Tumah through Kodesh have the ability to transmit Tumah? 5:09 That is what? That's a takeaway. 5:11 We'll say that'll be to answer. 5:13 Good. Great Mishna. I should have said this is a great case. 5:19 You have an animal that is a Maseh. 5:21 We'll get into definitions, but for our purposes now is an animal that is dying. 5:26 Right? That is actively dying. 5:28 Sakana, danger. It's in danger of imminent death. 5:33 I will say what's the hop? 5:34 So if you have a that's a Maseh, it's in your best interest to do what? 5:38 As quickly as possible. 5:40 Right? Because if you it and it's still alive, then at least you have dinner. 5:44 Right? If it dies, then you have an and And have an Availa, say again, you can still get benefits from an Availa, but of course you can't eat it. 5:50 So, the kiss over here is I want to shake the Mr. 5:53 Kenneth. So, we'll say, "But what's the concern?" 5:55 Because this animal mummifies at death's door, the concern is how do I know that the animal didn't die until the end of Shrita? 6:04 In other words, the Hashasha we'll say is maybe the animal died right when the Shrita started. 6:08 Now, we'll say again, "I don't know if the animal died when the Shrita started, then what? 6:11 Then what? Then it's treif, then it's not kosher." 6:14 So, we'll say So, what's interesting over here is essentially I need some type of test of vitality. 6:20 Sounds strange, right? Shrita vitality. 6:22 How do I know that the animal only died as a result of Shrita and not as a result of anything else? 6:26 So, watch this. Hashasha of the Mr. 6:28 Kenneth. So, we'll say Shimon ben Elozer omer, "Achis tifarchis biadu breglam." 6:32 So, we'll say Shimon ben Elozer says, "In order to know if the Shrita of a Mr. 6:35 Kenneth was good, there has to be purkus." 6:37 So, we'll say purkus, I don't know what the technical term is, but it's like a a jerking motion. 6:42 There has to be a postmortem movement of the hind leg and the foreleg. 6:49 That's called purkus. Right? 6:51 So, the animal's leg has to move. 6:52 It has to jerk as a result of the Shrita. 6:56 Reb Elozer omer. We'll say again, I want to be clear, this is not necessarily about struggling during Shrita. 7:00 That's most animals will struggle during Shrita. 7:03 This is after the Shrita is complete, there's a movement of There's a movement of the yad, which is the foreleg, and the rega, which is the hind leg. 7:11 Reb Elozer omer, "Dayo im zinka." 7:14 Reb Elozer says, "It's enough ultimately again if the if the blood spurts out." 7:19 Now, what will come out in a moment is im zinka. 7:22 "Kiderech shabehemos nof chos bigronam vedam mechalech umesanech bekoach." 7:28 So, we'll say so so Rebbi Elozer I'm sorry. 7:30 Rebbi Elozer says that as long as the blood spurts out with a koach after the Shrita, that's enough sign of vitality the animal is kosher. 7:38 Reb Shimon Reb Shimon says, "Hashokei balaila ulumachei shkim." 7:42 So, we'll say listen to this. 7:43 Reb Shimon says, we'll say this is the on the previous sheet up. 7:47 I'm assuming he's building on the Eleazar. 7:48 What happens if if you shocked at a Mr. 7:53 Kenneth at night at night? 7:55 So what happens? Well, the market is next morning you wake up solemn down and you find the walls filled with blood. 8:03 They will say now which walls were discussing we're going to see in the game of raw then Shira then ultimately again the sheet is kosher same car will come meet us Ravi Eleazar. 8:13 So we'll see what Shem is saying is essentially if you shocked at a Mr. 8:15 Kenneth at night. According to Eleazar who says that what then order for the sheet of Mr. 8:20 Kenneth to be good what has to happen? 8:22 The blood has to spurt. 8:23 So the problem is if you're shocking at night if shocking at night which although we've already seen my says not ideal but if you're shocking at night how do not the blood spurted? 8:32 So apparently what Shem is saying is you could look the next morning. 8:35 If you see the blood on the walls now we'll see that what say that blood on the walls doesn't actually mean the blood of the walls of the base of the slaughter house but it means rather the blood on the 8:43 walls of the neck. 8:44 We'll get into the game of raw ultimately the sheet is kosher. 8:47 The common say I should be all beyond over a guy. 8:51 So I will say the common disagree with Shem on the old and with Shem on the old says that you need pure cos you need a jerking a movement. 9:00 Of the four legged the hind leg the common say no you don't need both rather either or I'll be out over a guy or I should be busy now I'll say all you need is a movement of something either the 9:11 hind leg the four leg or according to the common even what even the tail. 9:16 See what say what what see the common denominator here between Shem on the old and excuse me between you between Shem on the old and the common is that they hold that in order to ensure that the animal did not 9:26 die before Shem. You need some type of post Shem movement. 9:32 In that in that they agree. 9:34 What scope or what degree of movement you need a subject to my colleagues as well as Rabbi Eleazar says you what you need is the blood to spurt out with some level of that's enough to show that the animal that 9:46 is the result of after the ultimately again all of this is true whether you are shocking a small animal or like a lamb or a gas or which would be like a cow but he would duck push the other listen 10:03 to this what happens if you have a duck a small animal that after the extended its foreleg right but it did not bring it back so it extended it out and not bring it back so what does it say says 10:16 that it was only the will be possible because we assume that that the animal did not die of this is all in in a case the animal didn't die of rather the animal died of something else shame says because again 10:29 all aligned this with the respective toes that the extension of the foreleg in the case of a duck is not is is representing representative of the animal dying not a representation ultimately again of the animal being alive until after the 10:46 the major so what say when is all of this true shall I say Mr. 10:50 So what say then clarifies this entire discussion by the way of the need for some type of movement of the animal after I will say is only by when only by a Mr. 11:03 Because by a Mr. 11:05 Say what we are concerned about is did the animal die sometime during Rita which would make the animal unavailable right or a treacle I that's what so therefore again in order to show that the animal didn't die until after I 11:19 need this post movement I will say Mr. 11:23 I will say if the animal has a clean bill of health I feel I can make my mind I will say this is very important in a regular stem animal, and I will say again, remember an animal in general when 11:36 you go to Shacharit, we assume that the that what? 11:39 That what? That it's healthy, right? 11:41 We don't assume that we don't assume that the animal is a misukenes. 11:43 We assume that animal is healthy. 11:45 Probably important. In a regular stem animal, none of these Halachas apply. 11:50 We're not worried about movement, we're not worried about extending a hind leg, a foreleg. 11:54 None of that matters to us. 11:56 None of that matters to us. 11:57 What matters ultimately going to all of this only matters in the case of a misukenes. 12:01 Good. So, we'll say here we go. 12:04 Gemara, misukenes bimai dishai. 12:05 So, we'll say this is actually amazing. 12:07 This whole discussion is predicated on the idea that a misukenes is permitted. 12:12 Right? That Halacha l'maaseh, you can shacht and eat a misukenes. 12:16 So, we'll say remember again, so we're going to we're going to get a definition much more in tomorrow's daf, but we'll get a definition. 12:21 But, we'll say the bottom line is a misukenes is an animal that's what? 12:25 A what? We'll say it is on death's door. 12:28 So, the Gemara says, how do you know you're allowed to eat that animal to begin with? 12:31 That is from Mayachis, we're taking it for granted that you could that the goal over here is you just have to make sure that you have proper shchita. 12:37 From where do you know that you're even permitted to eat it? 12:40 So, the Gemara says, "U'mi mai?" 12:41 It's supposed to say this is such a Jewish answer. 12:43 "U'mi mai teisa k'gaav d'tin da'azira?" 12:45 Well, why would you think it's assur? 12:46 Right? So, I'll say so I So, the Gemara asks, how do you know that it's mutar? 12:49 So, the Gemara says, from where do you why would you think that it's assur? 12:52 "D'chsaiv." Cuz I will say I'll tell you why I would think it was assur. 12:55 Cuz the possuk says, "D'chsaiv zos chaya asher tochelu." 13:00 Cuz we'll say the possuk said, "Tochelu." 13:02 This is the chaya These are the animals that you should eat. 13:04 So, the Gemara says, "V'ha misukenes eina chaya." 13:08 So, we'll say what's interesting over here is as follows. 13:10 The Gemara is only saying that perhaps the Torah uses the word chaya. 13:14 So, we'll say chaya ultimately doesn't just refer to a category of animals, but rather again, chaya also perhaps could represent a certain level of vitality in animals. 13:24 That what type of animal are you permitted to eat? 13:27 will say, "An animal which possesses vitality." 13:31 The mesukenes does not possess that same level of vitality. 13:35 So, perhaps you know you are not permitted to eat the mesukenes. 13:39 To which the Gemara says, "Well, I'll tell you why you can eat the mesukenes." 13:42 Me de amar navela lo sochel. 13:45 Cuz it will say the pasuk says, "You shall not eat a navela." 13:49 So, therefore again miklal de mesukenes shaya. 13:52 So, what say here we go. 13:53 From the fact that the Torah says that you can't eat a navela, that would seem to indicate that what? 13:58 That would seem to indicate that what? 14:00 That halacha lemaisa mesukenes is mutar. 14:01 So, what say this actually very interesting argument. 14:03 Meaning, the fact that I'm not allowed to eat a navela, which is what they will say, which is what? 14:07 An animal which dies without proper shchita, tells me that what? 14:11 That as long as the animal had shchita, again assuming that I could assume that the animal died as a result of shchita, and not as a result of something else, that that animal is permitted for consumption. 14:21 I'll tell you why. 14:22 Di sagidei mesukenes asira. 14:24 Cuz what say if you're going to tell me that a mesukenes is asur be achila, if that's the case, hashta mecha im asira le'acher misami boyi. 14:33 Now, what say cuz let's think about this is just a moment. 14:35 If you're going to tell me that halacha lemaisa, that a mesukenes is asur, then what say do I have to even say that a navela is asur? 14:43 Rather, if a mesukenes, which is an animal on death's door, is going to be asur, why would the Torah even have to tell me that an animal which dies of natural or whatever unnatural cause is going to be asur? 14:54 It's obvious. So, the Gemara says, "So, therefore again it must be that what? 14:58 Since the Torah tells me that navela is asur, it's dafka navela is asur, but the mesukenes is what they will say, will ultimately be mutar." 15:06 I say says the Gemara, "Ve dilma hainu navela, hainu mesukenes." 15:10 So, what say this actually very interesting. 15:11 Well, maybe navela and mesukenes are in fact the same thing. 15:15 In other words, what say maybe maybe the word navela the refers to an animal already from the time that it is a mister Kenneth. 15:22 So I will say maybe an Avella is a much broader category and it refers to any animal that is at death's door as as well as an animal which has died. 15:32 And therefore under the will say if you define if you tell me that a mister Kenneth is something as an Avella then in fact mister Kenneth will be also I will say the passage says that if an animal will die 15:50 and you touch its carcass. 15:52 I will say I will say what do you see? 15:58 The Torah only calls an Avella when will call or I should say the Torah only describes the term Avella to what? 16:04 To an animal which has died. 16:06 While it is while it is alive even if it is at death's door it is not called an Avella. 16:18 So I will say maybe not maybe still an Avella is a mister Kenneth. 16:21 So what we are suggesting is that maybe maybe Avella is a much more expensive term and it's not see up until this point we only thought that Avella refers to what? 16:30 Refers to an animal which has actually died as a result of non shrita causes but maybe not maybe Avella is already at from the time it's a mister Kenneth and therefore again mister Kenneth will be also and what so I 16:41 will say so what so and therefore what? 16:43 So the I will say I will say if the animal while the animal is a mister Kenneth if you were to eat it you would be in violation of an essay a positive commandment. 16:52 I will say but if you eat it after the animal dies below then you'll be in violation of a love. 16:58 I will say I will say from the fact that the Torah says you cannot eat a treifa therefore what? 17:10 So I will say so once again the fact that the Torah says you can't eat a treifa and I will say now what's a treifa? 17:15 So again we'll see a couple of different definitions, but at least in a on a biblical level, so or at least on a possuk level, so treifa being referred to over here as an animal that's killed by something else, right? 17:26 So, the fact that the Torah tells me that I can't eat a treifa, which is an animal essentially killed by non- shrita means I will say what I learn out from that is the misukenet sharia, that the misukenet must be 17:38 permitted. These sakadite misukenet asira cuz I will say if you're going to tell me that a misukenet is assur, so let's analyze this treifa me boy. 17:46 We'll say if a misukenet is going to be assur, we'll say if you tell me that a misukenet, which is did I skip a line? 17:56 I'm sorry. These are the misukenet asira, thank you. 17:58 Hashda, sorry. These sakadite misukenet asura, asira cuz I will say if you're going to think that if a misukenet is assur, hashda, misukenet dilo machasura asira, treifa me boy. 18:10 So, we'll say a misukenet, so we'll say now the Torah is kind of switching gears a little bit. 18:14 We're switching now to the Talmudic definition of a treifa. 18:17 Talmudic definition of a treifa, we'll say we'll get to this, we have a whole perek devoted to hilchos treifos. 18:22 So, a treifa we'll say means an animal that literally is missing something. 18:26 Either there's some vital organ that's missing or as Rashi points out, Rashi's nikum krum shamoch, the membrane around the brain is deficient. 18:35 So, we'll say so, if you're going to tell me that a misukenet, which is quote unquote not missing anything. 18:41 We'll say we'll say cuz remember again, a misukenet is not an animal that is dying because of a vital organ that's missing cuz that would be then a treifa. 18:51 A misukenet is just what? 18:53 Old. Right? Or it's old. 18:55 In other words, it's not supposed to be it's not there's no there's nothing there's no there's nothing I will say yeah, there's there's nothing inherently wrong. 19:02 It's just just old. 19:04 So, we'll say so again, if you're going to tell me a misukenet, which ultimately again is not missing anything is assur, then treifa me boy. 19:11 Then I will say it goes without saying that's what? 19:13 That a treif animal certainly would be usur. 19:15 In other words, I will say if Mr. 19:16 Kennis is usur, I do you don't have to tell me that a treif is usur. 19:21 The dilma hino treif hino Mr. 19:23 Kennis. So I will say so maybe they're the same. 19:25 Maybe a treif is really a Mr. 19:26 Kennis. The lav or alav ba'asei velo sa'asei. 19:30 And I will say the Torah is coming along to go ahead and tell me that what? 19:33 That if I eat this animal, I'm in violation of an assei and a lo sa'asei. 19:37 Imkein nevelah de kasiv rachmana l'amaleitz. 19:40 I will say if that's the case, then why do I need the prohibition of nevelah? 19:43 See I will say once we're establishing that an animal like a Mr. 19:46 Kennis is usur, then what? 19:47 It goes without saying that a nevelah is certainly going to be usur. 19:51 So I felt Mr. 19:52 Kennis is really usur because Mr. 19:53 Kennis treif are essentially the same thing. 19:55 What is they're just to make you higher for different things? 19:57 And I will say why do I even need the pasuk by nevelah? 20:01 U'mami chaim kayim u'mami chaim kayi alav belav ya'asei. 20:06 I will say if you were to eat the Mr. 20:07 Kennis when it's alive, you're in violation of a lav and an assei. 20:11 Lagar misah meboyi. Then I will say after the death of the animal, is there anything even to say? 20:16 The dilma I will say get ready for this. 20:17 The dilma hino nevelah hino treif hino Mr. 20:21 Kennis. I will say now it's a party. 20:22 I will say so watch this. 20:23 Maybe maybe these are all the same thing. 20:26 Maybe nevelah, treif, Mr. 20:29 Kennis are essentially all the same family of issur that essentially I will say are a continuum. 20:35 Extend from the time that the animal is deathly ill all the way in and again, whether that illness takes on the form of old age, whether that illness takes on the form of something missing in the animal through the death 20:46 of the animal. And I will say so why would the Torah come up with so many terms ultimately again for the same thing? 20:53 Oh, to pile on the prohibitions. 20:55 The lav or alav bishnei lavin va'asei. 20:58 And to make you in violation I will say if you consume any of these items of two lavin and an assei. 21:03 Elu me'achas rather I will say the gemara says from here. 21:04 V'cheilav nevelah v'cheilav treif ya'aseh l'chom u'l'achlah. 21:08 V'achalo so cholo so. 21:11 >> What's that listen to this? 21:12 So the possuk says, the of an of an aveilah and the of a treifah, you can get hana'ah from it. 21:17 You can do whatever you want from it, but you may not eat it. 21:23 So we'll say so now watch this. 21:24 The Amar Mar, Mar said Amar Torah. 21:29 Right? So ultimately again, so why is this being brought down? 21:33 So we'll say let's clarify something. 21:35 We know that cheilev is assur, right? 21:37 Forbidden fats are called forbidden fats for good reason, right? 21:40 Because they're forbidden. So we'll say so we already know the issur of cheilev. 21:44 If we already know the issur of cheilev, why does the Torah feel the need to restate it over here? 21:50 The cheilev of an aveilah, the cheilev of a treifah, the right? 21:53 We already know that I can't eat an aveilah. 21:55 Why does the Torah have to restate the prohibition of aveilah consumption by an aveilah and a treifah? 22:02 Look at the last Rashi. 22:03 We'll say so so we'll say I don't need this possuk. 22:09 Why not? The kol cheilev v'chol dam lo socheilu. 22:14 Because we'll say I Torah has already told me I'm not permitted to eat any cheilev and any blood. 22:20 Um mishum din mishum treifah me issur cheilev. 22:24 Um itzrich. So we'll say ultimately again, why do I need this possuk? 22:28 So we'll say I don't need this possuk. 22:29 Amar Torah, yavi issur aveilah v'yochal al issur cheilev. 22:34 Yavi issur yavo issur treifah v'yochal al issur cheilev. 22:37 We'll say watch this. 22:39 Watch this. To teach me an incredible halacha, we'll say, that if you have an animal which is an aveilah or an animal which is a treifah and you consume the cheilev of either of the consume the forbidden fats of either 22:50 of those animals, we'll say you are in violation of what? 22:55 Two lavim. Right? One lav for cheilev and one lav for aveilah or treifah. 23:01 Now we'll say what's the throughout our journeys in shas about the concept of issur chal al issur. 23:08 When you have a pre-existing state of prohibition, can another prohibition devolve upon that pre-existing prohibition? 23:13 That is a machlokes. 23:15 So what does it say? 23:15 The Torah is coming out of its way to tell us that at least over here, at least over here, we hold issur chal al issur, that even though again the meat is already assur as a nevikha. 23:24 Remember, we'll say the prohibition of cheilev pre-existed the prohibition ultimately of nevelah or treifah. 23:31 Cuz remember again, cheilev is going to be assur even during the lifetime of the animal. 23:35 Nevelah or treifah only exist when when the animal develops a treifah sign or when the animal dies. 23:41 So the chiddush over here of the cheilev nevelah or the cheilev treifah comes to teach me that even though the cheilev the or the issur of the of cheilev is already there, the additional issur of nevelah or treifah could devolve 23:53 upon the cheilev. So I'm going to say what I'm going to say. 23:56 So the issur Here we go. 23:58 The issur treifah heinu mesukenes. 24:01 [snorts] And I will say, if you want to say that treifah and mesukenes are the same thing, if that's the case, licheto v'rachmana cheilev nevelah ye'asur l'chol melacha. 24:11 V'cheilev treifah lo soflu. 24:14 Then I will say, let the pasuk be worded differently. 24:16 Let the pasuk say, and the cheilev of a of a nevelah you could use for any melacha, and the cheilev of a treifah cannot be consumed. 24:24 V'ana ami, and I would say as follows, uma mecha'im assi issur treifah cheilev issur cheilev. 24:31 And I would say as follows, if during the lifetime of the animal the issur of treifah devolves upon the issur of cheilev, l'achar misami boy. 24:38 So we'll say, after death would there even be a kasha? 24:41 Ela mi d'kasuv rachmana nevelah michlal d'treifah lav heinu mesukenes. 24:47 So we'll say, from the fact that the Torah ultimately goes ahead and writes nevelah explicitly tells me that what? 24:53 That treifah is not mesukenes, but that then rather again ultimately they are two different cases. 25:00 Maskifla mar bar avashi the dome of the olam eima l'cha haynu treifa haynu missukanis. 25:05 So I'll say the mar is not willing to give up on this. 25:07 But maybe no, maybe treifa missukanis are the same thing Reb Ovadia vitika amrit nevela d'kasav rachmana l'amli. 25:13 I but you said before why do I need need the Torah to discuss the case of the nevela? 25:18 To which the gemara says l'chach nevela d'lo asami chach missukanis cuz I'll say there are cases of nevela. 25:25 See the reason the hava mina of linking nevela and treifa together sorry the the the the hava mina that ultimately again that treifa is missukanis. 25:37 If treifa is missukanis then why would you need nevela? 25:40 Cuz I'll say there is a case of nevela that is not necessarily preceded by the case of missukanis. 25:47 See where if we lump all of these things together then we would assume that ultimately there's a continuum. 25:52 First the animals are missukanis then it becomes nevela treifa. 25:56 Right? So what's the which the gemara says there's a case of nevela which is not preceded by missukanis which is what? 26:02 Be'eichi dami sha'as gistera. 26:05 What's that? I'll tell you the case where you cut the animal you chop the animal in half. 26:09 What's that? If you chop the animal in half then ultimately what? 26:12 The animal is a nevela. 26:13 What was it preceded by a state of missukanis? 26:17 No. Cuz I have to say Reb Ovadia one second it was fine the next second it's chopped in half. 26:22 There's no prior state of missukanis. 26:24 Hasah nami efshar d'lo hava missukanis porta. 26:27 To which the gemara says no no no even when you chop the animal in half Reb Ovadia nevertheless what? 26:32 There was a point in time when it was a missukanis for some moment which is when Reb Ovadia mikamei d'lifsiq ruba. 26:39 Ultimately again before you chop the majority of the animal Reb Ovadia I'll say see even when you chop the animal in half there must be that point where you're chopping where the animal is not dead but a missukanis. 26:51 Okay? V'ima seima And Reb Ovadia another possibility is as follows. 26:56 Im came lema cheliv nevela u'treifa. 26:59 We'll say let the possuk say cheliv nevela u'treifa. 27:02 Cheliv cheliv lamali. Ultimately again, why does the possuk have to say cheliv nevela cheliv treifa? 27:08 So the gemara says zohi shein chelba choluk mibsara. 27:12 We'll say because both of these cases are situations where what? 27:16 Where the cheliv is not is not distinct from the flesh. 27:20 So we'll say so what does that mean? 27:21 So we'll say you see the chelev in in a in a vela and treifa I will say is that the chelev is no different than the flesh. 27:29 What does that mean? 27:31 Just as the flesh is assur, the chelev is assur. 27:33 Now obvious they're different disurim but they're both assur. 27:38 Viashonah acheres shechelbah choluk mibsara. 27:42 But I will say but there is another case where the chelev is separate and distinct from the flesh. 27:47 What's the other case? 27:49 Ve'eizo zu missukenis. I will say missukenis see what's interesting is as follows. 27:53 In this drasha I will say the the gemara is focusing on the fact that the Torah says cheliv nevela and cheliv treifa. 28:00 Which teaches you that the common denominator in these two cases is that the flesh and the chelev share the same status. 28:07 The status is a status of issur. 28:09 Both by nevela and treifa I will say the meat is assur and the chelev is going to be assur. 28:13 But there's another case where the chelev and the meat do not share the same status. 28:18 Which is the case where the chelev and the meat don't share the same status I will say missukenis. 28:23 Why? Because what happens in the case of missukenis? 28:25 Ultimately again, the basar, the meat is mutar and the chelev is assur. 28:31 So I will say so therefore again, the gemara has successfully proven that based on that possuk that really missukenis I will say is a separate category than nevela and treifa and that's why again we could say that the meat of 28:43 a missukenis ultimately is going to be mutar. 28:45 So what's one more piece. 28:48 There's one more proof to this, which is which is really incredible. 28:51 The V by same what's in the brings another proof. 28:55 This proof of what say is from the in So, this is really we're going to see a dramatic from a variety of levels. 29:03 The armor so we'll say so the begins as follows. 29:05 The Omar so he has to go says we'll say this is kind of telling to by who his personal piety. 29:15 How he's been a good servant of all of these years. 29:26 >> [clears throat] >> So, what does he has to go say? 29:28 He says behold my God. 29:33 Not she low me to my I never allowed my soul to become defiled. 29:42 And I never eat and and treif up from my youth until this day. 29:48 The bus a pig or and I never ate any kind of pig or meat remember again he has to go with a coin. 29:56 I never ate any kind of pig or meat. 29:58 So, I'll say so what does this mean? 29:59 So, first of all take a look at Rashi. 30:01 He may not she um He may not she low me to my Rashi says he has to go come and borrow who So, he has to go was saying this to God fish a higher or below So, I'm to call 30:15 now. The big lottery of them so I'll say so ultimately again so I could not very pleased with the and with I'm used to wrong. 30:25 Right? So, he has to go was trying to go ahead and ultimately so show I could not about his allegiance. 30:32 Right? He's always pledged his allegiance. 30:33 So, it's interesting to see what he says over here. 30:36 He may not so I'll say we're going to analyze each of these each of these phrases on their own. 30:40 He may not she low me to my so I'll say what when he has to say I never allowed my soul to become defiled or impure. 30:47 It's amazing. Shalom here heart love lead a tumor by Lila. 30:53 I never had impure thoughts by day which would ultimately lead me to have a seminal emission at night. 31:00 So I say so that's what he's saying this is so he has to stop talking about ritual impurity over here not to mental but rather again spiritual or really like cognitive purity. 31:11 I never [snorts] defiled my thoughts, right? 31:13 I never had impure thoughts by day so as to come to a seminal emission at night. 31:18 One of three follow us actually very interesting. 31:22 What [snorts] does it mean when he says to say so he has to say I never ate an entre for so I say so what do you say to that? 31:28 So I don't think I've eaten the village either I so what's what's what's the what's the what's the great that's all I'll tell you what it is. 31:37 Shalom Buster Coast Coast smell them. 31:41 I never ate Coast Coast meat. 31:45 What's Coast Coast meat look at that she Coast Coast was like Coast Coast means shackle shackle shalom Thomas the fish can I see the villain like I think he might have to say what is it to this so when he 31:59 has to say he was saying I never ate when you feel if you have an animal that is a can right if you have an animal that's a can so what is everyone telling you to do right? 32:08 They're yelling check the check that. 32:10 I will say cuz again remember if the animal dies on its own you're in trouble you know you don't you can't eat it. 32:16 So what he has to say I never eat of the meat of a can I never eat of the meat where they said Coast Coast quickly check the check that so remember again let's pause you for just a moment. 32:27 This is very important for us cuz remember what is he has to say demonstrating because he's saying I've gone above and beyond for you. 32:35 I have you I avoided impure thoughts by day. 32:38 So I shouldn't come to a similar emission at night. 32:40 Furthermore, again, I never ate meat of a misukenes. 32:44 Then I will say that obviously the only way that this is considered to be a maila is if what? 32:49 Is if what? Is if the meat is technically mutar and Yichezkel saying I want above and beyond. 32:54 So you see if you remember what I was saying. 32:56 You see if you remember that the meat of a misukenes is in fact mutar. 33:00 The meat itself is in fact permitted. 33:05 answer pigel and I will say what does it mean? 33:07 I never ate pigel meat. 33:08 So again I will say so remember what does that mean? 33:11 So remember it can't be can't be understood literally cuz what Yichezkel is lauding the fact that he never ate something that was assur. 33:19 I mean what's what's the chiddish there? 33:21 To which they will say no. 33:23 Shilo achalti me behema shehora ba chacham. 33:26 So I will say that ultimately what Yichezkel means says what Yichezkel is saying is if there was a shaila about the meat, I never ate it. 33:34 If you have to ask a shaila about it and a chacham had to pasken on it, I stayed away from it. 33:39 Mishum Rabbi Nosson omru omru shilo achalti me behema shehora le chormu matnos says. 33:45 He will say here's what's interesting. 33:46 As a kohen, as a kohen, you can eat from sacrificial meat before the respective portions are removed, right? 33:55 So Yichezkel says I never eat of meat before its portions are removed. 33:58 So I will say so e amrit bishlama shari ya chein Rabbi said Yichezkel. 34:03 So I will say if you say that the meat of a misukenes is permitted, then that's then that's the Rabbi said that's the chiddish of Yichezkel. 34:10 E ela e amrit asira my Rabbi said Yichezkel. 34:15 But ultimately again I will say if you say that that misukenes meat is mutar, then what? 34:19 Then what? Then at the end of the day what does Yichezkel what what exactly is Yichezkel saying? 34:24 So I will say so bottom line halacha l'maaseh what do we see from all of these proofs? 34:28 In other words, these are all correct. 34:30 But bottom line what do you see? 34:31 I will say that the meat of a misukenis ultimately again is motor. 34:35 It would appear the will say that based on the statement of Yechezkel, so this is a very compelling statement that Yechezkel literally says, I've always gone above and beyond for you. 34:45 I've never eaten the nevelah or the treifoh, which we understand to mean the meat of a misukenis." 34:50 Even though it's motor, it's absolutely motor. 34:52 Yechezkel says the will say, "Kush baruch I stayed away from it. 34:56 I stayed away from it even though it's motor, I purposely did not partake of it. 35:02 The will say therefore again, we've successfully proven that the meat of a misukenis is motor, and therefore again going back to our Mishnah, but the problem we have when shechting a misukenis is being able to be able being able to 35:17 show with absolute certainty that the animal died of shechitah and not as a result of something else. 35:23 Now we go back. 35:24 So the will say, so now we go to the next order of business for the last couple of minutes we have. 35:28 Heichitami misukenis. The will say, what is the definition of a misukenis? 35:34 In other words, the will say, how an animal could be ill with a variety of different things, but what is the definition of a misukenis? 35:41 The will say this is very important, why? 35:43 Cuz what we was what everyone agrees with when it comes to a misukenis is what? 35:47 What does everyone agree with? 35:47 The Mishnah. Right? That it First of all, we all agree that the misukenis is motor, but what I also agree is I need some type of of post shechitah demonstration of vitality. 36:00 What that demonstration is is subject to dispute, but I need something. 36:06 That's fine, but first I need a definition as to what is a misukenis. 36:11 The will say this is actually amazing. 36:13 Al le hu de mar Rav, kosha ma'amidin o shevei ino meda. 36:16 So the will say any animal which cannot stand on its own strength, that's a misukenis. 36:21 Right? If it can't stand up, right? 36:23 You stand it up and it can't support itself, that's a misukenis. 36:26 Rav Chanina bar Shmuel mishmei de Rav Amar, "Afilu al chala What does it mean even if the animal literally is chewing on wood? 36:34 What does it mean chewing on wood? 36:35 Chewing on wood good jaw strength. 36:39 Even if you have good jaw strength, right? 36:41 The animal is strong enough to chew on pieces of wood. 36:44 If the animal can't stand up on its own, that's a Mr. 36:47 Kenneth. If it can't support its own weight, that's a Mr. 36:49 Kenneth. I feel codos. 36:54 I don't know why it says manage even if it's eating beams. 36:57 I don't know that an animal actually eats beams. 37:00 These are all probably a bit hyperbolic. 37:02 What it's showing is that what? 37:03 That it has enough jaw strength to be able to eat through beams. 37:09 Even if it has enough jaw jaw strength for beams, if the animal cannot stand, if it cannot support its own weight, then how long may say the animal is a Mr. 37:19 Kenneth. So the says the Sura must know so we'll say this previous discussion is how they ultimately again recorded this conversation in Sura. 37:30 Must be saying Pumbedisa that the following version. 37:33 What's the version? Hey hey damn you Mr. 37:35 Kenneth. What is the case of Mr. 37:38 Kenneth? Any animal which what? 37:45 Which ultimately again you stand it up on its feet, but it cannot support its own weight. 37:51 Cannot support its own weight. 37:53 And even though I feel I feel like you even if what? 37:58 Even if it's strong enough the fact that it could chew that it could chew wood indicates that what? 38:03 Indicates that what? That it has vitality. 38:07 It has vitality. Obviously it has color. 38:09 I will say but even so even if it could chew through it if it can't go ahead and support its own weight. 38:14 How long Mr. Kenneth. 38:17 I feel I feel codos. 38:20 Ultimately again even if it can manage to go ahead and even if it can manage to go ahead and chew through bright beams of wood, still nevertheless if it cannot support its own weight, it will be a miswak also. 38:34 We'll stop over here for today. 38:35 Again, we end off with this definition. 38:37 We'll see further definitions in Hashem tomorrow.
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