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In other words, you're intentionally shcheting the animal as opposed to dam hamet, which doesn't have intentionality to it. 4:28 To which the Gemara says, "No, no, no. 4:29 Dam hamet is shchita lay." 4:30 No, we need to exclude dam hamet. 4:32 Why? So I would have thought because you would have thought malik katli malik katli malach hamavet. 4:39 Because I would have thought that in reality in reality that dam hamet should really be no different than dam shchita. 4:44 Right? The halacha, what does it matter if I killed the animal or the malach hamavet killed the animal? 4:48 Kama shmu lehu not so. 4:50 Okay? Tashima, Rabbi Shimon Rabbi Shimon says, "Dam magafah so in a machshir." 4:55 So you see that Rabbi Shimon says that the halacha of magafah is blood from a wound. 4:59 Let's say the animal is injured and as a result the animal bleeds, that blood that blood does not make the meat receptive l'kabul tumah. 5:07 So my love hot dam shchita machshir, can we not infer from this that the blood of shchita is machshir? 5:13 Lo hot dam chalal machshir. 5:15 No, it's going to teach me that if you have blood from an animal that was killed by another animal, that makes it that that that makes it kabul tumah. 5:22 About dam shchita my, what would it say about dam shchita? 5:25 Lo machshir. It does not make it hochsher l'kabul tumah. 5:28 I if that's the case, lishma inyan dam shchita, the kasha king dam magafah so if that's the case, then teach us the din by dam shchita and all the more so it would include blood that comes from a wound. 5:41 To which the Gemara says, "No, no, no. 5:42 Dam magafah so shchita lay." 5:44 No, I need the Gemara to teach me about blood that comes from a wound. 5:47 Why? The master said that it was interesting. 5:53 We might understand what is the matter if the animal is fully killed or partially killed. 5:57 Interestingly enough, the Gamara looks at the blood from a wound as if the animal has been partially killed. 6:03 Okay. So let's say so remember again let's let's take a step back. 6:08 What are we doing? 6:09 What are we doing? 6:09 So remember again what the mission is. 6:11 Let's go back to our original case. 6:12 What's the case? I slaughtered an animal. 6:15 What was unique about this scenario? 6:17 Unique about this scenario there was no blood. 6:19 So Tana Kamma said no blood, that means the meat is not receptive to tumah because it never came in contact with a liquid. 6:26 That was the Tana Kamma. 6:27 Rabbi Shimon said no, sh'chita is a machshir also. 6:31 Ultimately again, the sh'chita itself even without a liquid medium makes the meat receptive to be mekabel tumah. 6:37 Now the Gamara is trying to figure out Rabbi Shimon, when you say that do you mean to say that the blood of sh'chita is not a machshir? 6:45 Is that what you're saying? 6:46 That there's something unique about the blood of sh'chita itself that is not a machshir? 6:50 Or that no, even Rabbi Shimon of course agrees that the blood of sh'chita is a machshir. 6:55 He just also adds in there in addition to the blood of sh'chita, even if there's no blood of sh'chita, sh'chita itself is a machshir. 7:02 Sh'chita itself is a concretizing act that allows ultimately again for the meat to receive tumah. 7:08 That that's what we're trying to figure out over here. 7:10 So the Gamara says, now one of the now along this journey like always happens in Gamara, along this journey we end up picking up some additional piece of information like different types of blood. 7:19 So now we'll say it turns out that there's dam sh'chita, okay? 7:22 There's dam There's dam dam ha'meit, which is blood that comes from an animal that died from its own. 7:27 There's dam magafah so, which is blood that comes from an injury. 7:32 And there's dam chalalim, which is blood that comes when an animal is killed by another animal. 7:37 Interestingly enough, one of the things that the Gamara just said is that dam chalalim, when an animal is killed by another animal, right? 7:44 And the victim bleeds, the victim animal bleeds, that blood ultimately again is machshir the kav with that blood comes in contact with something, that blood acts as a liquid medium to allow that item which came in contact with the blood 7:59 to be receptive to tumah. 8:01 So the Gemara says, where do you get that from? 8:03 Well, mash dam halolim dam machshir. 8:05 Why? Why Why is blood that comes from an animal that was killed by another animal, why why is that machshir? 8:10 The Gemara says, the dam halolim yishteh. 8:14 So the Gemara says it's really quite interesting from the bracha of Bilam. 8:17 From the bracha of Bilam. 8:18 So remember again, when Bilam describes the fact that Klal Yisrael ultimately again will be successful, how does he describe our success? 8:24 The dam halolim yishteh. 8:26 That ultimately again we will drink the blood of our It's really of our enemies, of our enemies. 8:31 But halolim means those who are killed. 8:34 Those who are killed, the metaphor of course. 8:36 So the Gemara says, what do you see from here? 8:38 You see from here that interestingly enough, the blood of an animal that's killed is ultimately called a drink, shtiyah. 8:45 If it's called shtiyah, that means it's like the other liquids that are capable of making something receptive to tumah. 8:51 I dam shchitah mik seval aratz tishpach kamayim. 8:55 One second. The blood of shchitah, the Torah also uses the lashon. 8:58 The Torah says, what do you do with the dam of shchitah? 9:01 Pour it on the earth like water. 9:04 So you see from here that the blood of shchitah is compared to water. 9:06 If that's the case, just like water is machshir the kav tumah, so too again, so too so too blood of shchitah should be machshir the kav tumah. 9:17 Then the Gemara says, hahu lamishrei dam besurei mukdashim ben ohav osam. 9:22 No, no, no, that pasuk of al aratz tishpach kamayim is actually coming to teach me something else. 9:27 That alacha l'maaseh, if you have besurei mukdashim Was it looking at the last Rashi on the daf? 9:33 Besurei mukdashim, the akrashim if too. 9:35 So besurei mukdashim means animals that were consecrated as carbonos develop some type of blemish were disqualified for sacrificial use and were then redeemed. 9:45 We then redeemed so that my motor by now so what is the interesting enough just like water is motor by now so to a view of sacrificial animals which were blemished and then redeemed the blood of those animals is permitted 10:01 for benefit use it for benefit so the most of the I don't know what I'm involved 36a so that how will that be about the dominant bike for I would have thought that just like Sudan these animals which were designated 10:18 for carbonos but then were subsequently disqualified because of some type of blemish and then redeemed I would have thought the same way that you cannot go ahead and shear them but you can't shear them and you can't work them I 10:31 would have also thought that their blood requires burial Kamash Milan not like that Kamash Milan said their blood is actually permitted for Hannah incredible so it's very the dumb is that so what that the policy says shall drink the blood 10:49 of of of the practically kill this comes to exclude interestingly enough dumb so you might therefore suggest remember what did we learn from that policy dumb teaches us that if that if an animal is killed by another animal the victim 11:06 animals blood acts as a vehicle to make another item receptive to tumor the now comes on by the way that's only the blood ultimately I gave through which the animal dies but it doesn't it doesn't include the original or call 11:21 I don't know what the technical term is I'll call it spurt blood just for illustrative purposes only right so what spurt blood the smoking bull right it's when you go out and you and you shack the animals, the blood that's 11:33 spurts out. That's the mirror calls that dam ki luach. 11:37 Dam ki luach ultimately again is not called is not called is not is not a chain of as well. 11:45 Look at Rashi. Rashi says over here. 11:47 The Rashi says actually that this is not talking about a case per se of shrita. 11:51 Rashi says probably dam ki luach hamakis behema betrila adam shoses petipa also by mikaleach. 11:59 The makshir. So apparently again when you go out and you do blood letting on an animal. 12:04 So at first the blood comes out slowly, then it goes in and it spurts. 12:09 That spurt blood that spurt blood ultimately again is not makshir. 12:14 Rather again Rashi points out over here it's only the blood that comes out after the spurt blood as that's called life blood. 12:22 Okay? Different types of blood. 12:23 Incredible. Someone like to tell about shochit dam of the last. 12:27 Interesting case over here. 12:30 And what happens? And what happens this from the from the spurt blood of the animal, right? 12:35 It it's it it splashes on a gourd. 12:38 Now again we'll say there's nothing unique over here about a gourd, right? 12:41 Except again the gourd is Rashi points out over here obviously we're talking about a detached gourd. 12:47 Right? Because remember if something is attached to the ground, it doesn't become hochshol kabbalah tumah. 12:53 Only something that is detached is hochshol kabbalah tumah. 12:57 So the mirror says this also. 12:58 Watch this case. So I'm shacking my animal and there happens to be a gourd. 13:03 Rashi points out the gourd of trumah right next to me on the ground. 13:07 Some of the shrita blood splashes on the gourd. 13:10 So what's the shaila? 13:12 The shaila is is the gourd receptive to be makabel tumah or not? 13:16 So Rebbe Omer hochsher. 13:17 Rebbe says ultimately again the gourd is hochshol kabbalah tumah. 13:21 Rebbe Chiya Omer tolin. 13:22 Rebbe Chiya says we suspend it. 13:24 Now suspend Now generally tolin means tolin is the expression that's used when we don't know the status of something and it kind of just remains in suspension. 13:32 We'll see what that means. 13:33 I'm going to show Rebbi Oshiya said, "Now that Rebbi says that it's hochsher and Rebbi Chiya said tolan, who should we rely on?" 13:49 Let's rely on Rebbi Shimon. 13:51 Now, that's Rebbi Shimon from our Mishnah. 13:53 What did Rebbi Shimon say? 13:54 Rebbi Shimon said Because Rebbi Shimon was the one who said that shchita is the machsher and not blood. 14:02 Now, you got to understand that this is very interesting. 14:06 It's a very interesting that it seems what the Gemara is saying over here is that when Rebbi Shimon says that shchita is machsher and not blood, it means only shchita is machsher and not blood. 14:16 Okay. as in a very interesting Everyone agrees that if the blood remains on the gourd from the beginning until the end of [clears throat] shchita, that ultimately again, everyone agrees that it's machsher. 14:37 That the blood is machsher the gourd. 14:39 Keep please. This is very interesting. 14:44 When the blood is supposed to be just remember the order of the progression over here, right? 14:48 I'm shchiting the animal, the blood spurted on the gourd. 14:52 The blood spurted on the gourd and ultimately again, and ultimately the the blood spurted on the gourd and now and and now the shaila is is the gourd hochsher to cable tumah or not? 15:05 So, the Gemara says like this. 15:07 It all depends on how long was the blood on the gourd. 15:10 If the blood remained on the gourd throughout the duration of the shchita, everyone agrees it's hochsher. 15:17 If it was wiped off in the middle in this kind of blood in similar to similar, >> [snorts] >> what happens if the blood spurted, but then the blood was wiped off the gourd in between the kana and the veshet? 15:27 Rebbe Shimon bar Yochai So say we go back we reference back to machlokes that we had previously. 15:34 Yesh l'shchita m'tchila v'ad sof ein l'shchita When do we say that shchita occurs? 15:39 Is shchita a progression? 15:41 Right, is the act of shchita a progression which begins with the cutting of the first simon and goes all the way through till the conclusion of the last simon? 15:49 Or maybe shchita is only an act which culminates with the final cutting of the last simon. 15:56 So Rebbe holds shchita is a progression. 15:58 Because shchita is a progression, therefore again this blood that spurted initially is called dam shchita and dam shchita is machshir. 16:05 Rebbe Chiya Rebbe Chiya holds ein l'shchita ela b'sof. 16:10 Rebbe Chiya Rebbe Chiya holds no, shchita is only considered to have occurred at the end of the process and therefore we'll say watch this. 16:18 When this blood originally spurts out on the on the on the gourd, what is it? 16:24 V'ha dam makah. Fascinating. 16:27 That's called dam makah. 16:28 That's called dam of an injury. 16:30 And he was operating with the assumption over here that halacha l'maaseh dam makah dam makah does not go ahead and is not machshir. 16:39 Is it machshir? Siman says one second what am I tolin? 16:42 So what is what does it mean when it says tolin? 16:44 Tolin ad davar ad g'mar shchita means we have to wait to see until the shchita is over. 16:50 E selach dam b'sof shchita machshir. 16:52 If the blood is still on the gourd at the end of shchita, then the blood is machshir. 16:57 V'eelo lo machshir. But if the blood is not there at the end of the shchita, then ultimately it's not machshir. 17:05 I u'mai u'mai b'ovni smoch al divrei Rebbe Shimon. 17:09 What does it mean let's come and align the words of Rebbe Shimon. 17:11 Rebbe Shimon lo machshir. 17:13 Rebbe Chiya machshir b'neskanach. 17:16 So again according to Rebbe Shimon remember Rebbe Shimon shchita the way he understands it now is that dam shita is never machshir. 17:23 Ultimately, again, Shmuel bar Nachman bar Chiya, according to Rabbi Chiya, machshir. 17:29 According to Rabbi Chiya, ultimately, it is machshir. 17:32 To which the Gemara says, "Benny's kind of new ash hadadi." 17:36 But ultimately, again, where do their shitas intersect? 17:39 Where the blood was wiped away from the gourd in between siman one and siman two. 17:45 Marlo machshir, the Gemara says, "Al hadadi." 17:48 Marlo machshir um Marlo machshir, both of them agree that ultimately, again, the gourd is not receptive to tumah, albeit for different reasons. 17:56 Have we they Rabbi Chad? 17:58 So, therefore, again, I will say essentially it's Rabbi Shimon and Rabbi Chiya against Rabbi. 18:01 Rabbi is a singular opinion. 18:03 Vein d'Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachman bar Chiya and ultimately, again, Rabbi's opinion, therefore, again, is bottle barov. 18:10 You know, again, it's two against one and therefore, Rabbi's opinion will not endure. 18:14 Rav Ashi Rav Ashi says, "Tolin the olama mashma." 18:17 Rav Rav Ashi says, "No, no, no. 18:19 Tolin means in general." 18:20 So, whenever you see the expression tolin, tolin generally means like Ashi avo eliyahu, right? 18:25 That we just leave it in suspension. 18:29 Not for a little bit, but on ongoing level. 18:32 Benny's kind of Rabbi Chiya sapuk gam ushkalay. 18:35 And when the blood was wiped off from the gourd in between the cutting of the first siman and the second siman, Rabbi Chiya was mesupak. 18:41 What was he mesupak about? 18:43 Yesh no ushkita mitrim the vatzol o ein ushkita al habasar. 18:47 So, Rabbi Chiya Rabbi Chiya's Rabbi Chiya's was unsure what is the halachic definition of shita. 18:54 Is shita a progression which extends from the first cut until the end until the end or no shita is only something which occurs with the combination of the cutting of the two simanim. 19:05 So, I will say I just want to point out just you understand how interesting this is because we spoke about this before. 19:11 To be honest, it sounded like a little bit academic earlier earlier, but think about it from this perspective. 19:16 Right? If you hold that shchita is only a process that occurs with the conclusion of the cutting of the second siman, that means the blood that spurts out at the initial part of the shchita is not called dam shchita. 19:30 That's not That's not called the blood of shchita. 19:32 What is that called? 19:33 That's called dam makah. 19:34 That's called blood from an injury. 19:36 Right? As opposed to if you hold that shchita is a progression from beginning till the end, then Allah says that's dam shchita. 19:43 So, there's a big nafka mina because it seems to me everyone is agreeing dam makah, blood of an injury, is is not machshir. 19:51 Is is not machshir. 19:52 Right? Is not machshir. 19:57 Is not machshir, right? 19:59 Halakha l'maaseh, but but Where was I? 20:07 Yeah. The right So, so yeah yeah, so yeah, so back to our regularly scheduled program. 20:11 Yeah, so so And so dam dam makah ultimately again, dam makah is not machshir. 20:18 Dam shchita dam shchita ultimately again is machshir according to everyone except Rabbi Shimon, right? 20:26 There's still is that position of Rabbi Shimon. 20:28 So, just to point out, everything hinges on that definition of of shchita. 20:32 Shchita progression, yes shchita metchilah v'atzmah, or einu shchita ela v'atzmah. 20:39 Okay? The Gemara says The Gemara goes back. 20:41 The Gemara now says one second. 20:41 Rashi says no no no. 20:43 Tolin in general Tolin in general means Tolin the olam haba, right? 20:47 Tolin means Halakha l'maaseh forever. 20:50 Forever, not just for a little bit of time. 20:52 And it's R' Chiya's whole R' Chiya's R' Chiya's whole safek is what is the Halakhic definition of shchita. 20:59 What might Tolin What does Tolin mean? 21:01 Lo ochlin v'lo sarfin. 21:03 Ultimately, and I want to remind you again, this is why Rashi pointed out over here that the gourd in question is a gourd of truma. 21:10 It's a gourd of truma. 21:12 So, what does it mean tolin? 21:13 Tolin means ultimately again we don't eat it and we don't burn it. 21:17 Umai bol venismah of the Rebbi Shimon. 21:20 And what does it mean when we say let's come and rely on the position of Rebbi Shimon? 21:24 That Rebbi Shimon lo machshir, Rebbi Chiya sfeka. 21:29 Sfeka, right? According to Rebbi Shimon, Rebbi Shimon says that blood of shchita is not machshir. 21:35 Rebbi Chiya was mesupak. 21:36 Rebbi Chiya Rebbi Chiya just did not know. 21:38 He did not know what is the status of dam shchita. 21:41 Ve'ein srayfa mi'ushav l'havadi. 21:43 When it comes to our Rabbosai to burning it now again when they say burning, let's say again this gourd were to come in contact with tumah. 21:50 So, what would you do in that situation? 21:52 They agree. Mar lo sarfey u'mar lo sarfey. 21:55 Both Rebbi Chiya and Rebbi Shimon would agree that ultimately again we would not burn the gourd of truma in that situation. 22:02 Chaviley Rebbi Chad. Therefore again it turns out that Rebbi is a singular opinion. 22:07 Ve'in d'varav shel achad b'makom shnayim. 22:09 And ultimately again Rebbi's opinion does not stand up against the two opinions of Rebbi Chiya and Rebbi Shimon. 22:15 Lo achil u'lo sarif u'lo means to say k'gon zos case like this tolin lo ochlin v'lo sarfin. 22:21 So, what says this is an interesting case. 22:23 A case of where the blood of shchita spurted upon a gourd of truma and then let's say that gourd became tamei afterwards or came in contact with tumah. 22:33 What do you do with the gourd? 22:34 Right? And everything depends on was the gourd hochsher l'kabel tumah or not? 22:39 Well, that's a machlokes. 22:39 So, again Rebbi said Rebbi says yes it's hochsher l'kabel tumah. 22:43 Rebbi Chiya says I'm not sure. 22:45 I'm not sure. Now part of Rebbi Chiya what Now what's written Here's what's interesting. 22:50 What's Rebbi Chiya's safek? 22:51 Rebbi Chiya's safek is what's the status of shchita? 22:54 Is shchita meturel b'atzmo in which case again it's hochsher or shchita in al l'vatzmo in in case as dam makah it's not kosher. 23:02 So you've got Rabbi Hiyya's safek coupled with Rabbi Shimon saying it's not kosher because of tumah because Rabbi Shimon holds that dam sh'chitah is not a machshir at all. 23:11 Two against one, and therefore if this gourd became tumah after being after being sprinkled with dam sh'chitah, you would just kind of let it sit, tolen. 23:21 We would leave it alone because we're not sure exactly what to do with it. 23:23 All right, interesting by Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai. 23:27 Another case. Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai has the following shailah. 23:30 S'rid shel minchos. Okay, so what I'm saying is this is an interesting case. 23:34 Look at Rashi. S'rid shel minchos, kartei kemach chatzav bar mincha vein shemen nichnas lasocho. 23:41 So what I'm saying back back to minchos there's a little bit. 23:44 I have a karban mincha. 23:45 So remember again karban mincha you take the flour, you go ahead in general and you mix it with oil, but in the case over here is I have like a clump of flour that did not get mixed with the oil. 23:56 That's the case. S'rid shel mincha, s'rid shel minchos. 24:00 So I have a clump of flour that did not get end up getting mixed with the oil. 24:04 Now what happened? Rashi says, kartei kemach chatzav bar mincha vein shemen nichnas lasocho. 24:09 S'rid lashon yavesh bemaseches Rosh Hashanah hayah kol od kamah od d'chivas kodshim. 24:15 Okay, so what I'm saying now watch this. 24:17 So what's the halacha? 24:18 Monin bo rishon mishani o ein monin bo rishon mishani. 24:23 Ultimately again what I'm going to say so do we say now halacha l'maaseh, do we say that do we say that this clump of mincha is capable of receiving tumah by becoming a rishon or a shani, conveying tumah to a 24:36 rishon or a shani? 24:37 So what I'm saying now what's the shailah over here? 24:39 Now what I'm saying again, bless you. 24:40 If it's a clump of flour that did not come in contact with the oil, then how is it how is it receptive to tumah? 24:49 So remember again what I'm going to say what we're going to be focusing on over here is the concept that we've seen already a number of times of chivas kodshim machsharta. 24:57 That sometimes Kibos Kodesh literally means the elevated status of Kodesh by definition makes something ro'ui l'kabel tum'ah. 25:06 Makes something receptive to We've seen this concept already a couple of times. 25:09 Kibos Kodesh Machsharton. The elevated status of being consecrated by definition makes you receptive to tum'ah. 25:21 Again, I want to say just in the similar logic of that. 25:23 The concept of of ro'ui l'kabel tum'ah essentially means an item is like a finished product. 25:30 An item is in its ready state and therefore again it's receptive to tum'ah. 25:34 So essentially the Gemara makes the argument or not the argument, the Gemara advances the concept that when something is consecrated it's quote-unquote finished. 25:42 So because it's in its finished state, therefore halacha l'maiseh, it is receptive to tum'ah. 25:49 Good. Now, that's the shailah of it. 25:57 So when we say now again that clump that clump is going to be receptive, why? 26:02 Because of Kibos Kodesh. 26:04 So when we say that something is receptive to tum'ah, right, ro'ui l'kabel tum'ah because of Kibos Kodesh, maybe that only means lav solei gufei, that it itself, right, can become posul. 26:15 L'minayhu b'rishon u'sheini lo, but to go ahead and or maybe Kibos Kodesh is enough to make the clump itself osur b'achilah. 26:25 But to go ahead and create a rishon and a sheini, maybe maybe Kibos Kodesh is not powerful enough to do that. 26:32 Od d'lo miloshno, or maybe not. 26:34 Maybe Kibos Kodesh works the same way as contact with a liquid, and just like contact with a liquid allows the item itself to become prohibited, but also allows it to convey tum'ah to other things, maybe halacha l'maiseh Kibos Kodesh does 26:46 the same thing. Amar Rav Elazar, "Tashma, mikol ochlin sh'ye'achlu So the possuk says the possuk "Mikol ochlin Sharia hell I show you a ball a lot mine eat my the whole master say shall say the whole clay eat my suppose 27:01 they saw game this is the positive that talks about the idea that anytime you have a food item that comes in contact with a liquid that contact with a liquid makes it receptive to tomorrow. 27:12 That's the concept we're talking about over here. 27:14 So they must listen to this all color have a ball of mine hook shot. 27:18 So what does this teach you? 27:19 It's only food that comes in contact with a liquid that is hook shot the couple tomorrow all color shade in a ball of mine will hook shot. 27:26 But ultimately again food food that does not come in contact with water is not hook shot right is not hook shot or to review share the blockage less they all color have a ball of mine. 27:37 So this is a mission of this rich blockage not hold that food has to come in contact with liquid in order to be receptive in my couple tomorrow or as we'll say is isn't that just a universally held principle? 27:49 Rich blockage is a mission of blockage talking to my body like this is rich blockage is say love he bus hectic show all color have a ball of mine dummy all low. 27:57 So we'll say it's very interesting. 27:58 That was the Shilo. 27:59 The Shilo is he bus code ash. 28:01 Is that the equivalent of the food item coming in contact with water or not? 28:08 That's the Shilo. Everybody agrees that he bus code ash being consecrated by definition by definition makes you receptive to tomorrow. 28:18 The Shilo is the Shilo is does that go ahead and essentially is that the equivalent of going ahead and coming in contact with water or not? 28:29 Reveloza Nazimora says all low. 28:32 Reveloza Nami me to require comma Reveloza is Reveloza sorry is also dashing from what appears to be additional looking mythic save the he you tell my mother on one hand the positive says if water will come upon the seeds or 28:48 say, "That is a positive that also seeks out the idea that when food comes in contact or when produce comes in contact with with water, it becomes receptive to If if water will come upon a seed, it becomes receptive to 29:08 tumah. Why do I need the other positive element of days love with me the of Kodash. 29:19 It must be coming to exclude of Kodash. 29:21 That's what the will say. 29:23 That as much as Kodash makes something Hello it's not the equivalent of coming in contact with water. 29:33 There's a will say, "What will be the enough coming up?" 29:36 He Kodash says that something is receptive to tumah I E that the item itself could become tummy. 29:43 But not that it could convey tumah to something else. 29:47 In order to convey tumah to something else, how does that happen? 29:50 That only happens ultimately again if your tumah comes about through contact with a liquid medium. 29:56 So we'll say, "Let's just let's take a step back over just a second because the mayor is analyzing there's two things happening over here." 30:03 In a in a classic sense, right? 30:04 The one thing that everyone agrees upon is that a local mason in order for an item to be tumah what has to happen? 30:11 What has to happen? 30:13 What has to Right. 30:15 Now by the way, when I say an item, what items are we referring to? 30:18 What items are we referring to? 30:20 Only food items, right? 30:21 Right, food. Because remember, let's say by by utensils utensils do not have to come in contact with a liquid in order to become tummy. 30:29 What does a utensil need in order to be tumah? 30:32 What does a utensil need? 30:34 Completion. A utensil has to be finished. 30:38 Only a utensil in a finished if Once a utensil is finished, then it is receptive to tumah. 30:45 When we speak about a liquid medium that's stuff covered by food, right? 30:48 Food has to come in contact with a liquid in order to go ahead and be receptive to tumah. 30:55 Now, there's another category. 30:56 The other category is called chibas kodesh. 30:59 Chibas kodesh is when an item is consecrated, that also makes it receptive to tumah. 31:06 The shaila we're trying to figure out is is chibas kodesh the same as coming in contact with a liquid? 31:14 Now, what what does that mean? 31:16 What the hava mina is maybe chibas kodesh says like this, that when item is consecrated, it could receive tumah, but what? 31:23 Can't convey. As opposed to an item that becomes really a couple tumah through a liquid medium, could receive and convey. 31:31 That's the shaila we're dealing with all this. 31:32 You know, I just wanted to suggest over here, maybe the positive the the redundant positive is coming to teach us that it's dafka halacha l'maisa, it's dafka halacha l'maisa. 31:42 An item that comes in contact with liquid that is capable of receiving and conveying, chibas kodesh could receive but can't convey. 31:49 You would say to yourself, "No, that's not what it's talking about." 31:52 Chata b'tumas mais v'chata b'tumas sheres. 31:54 So, what's the actual interesting you know, actually one possuk is talking about tumas mais and one is about tumas sheres. 32:00 That in both of these cases, the item has to be hochshar l'kabel tumah in order to be able to receive either one of these two types of tumahs. 32:08 Now, what I mean to say is that this is truly I need both, I'll tell you why. 32:11 Chiyash m'dei tumas mais, how the possuk just told me tumas mais, hazem u'd'vai achshar. 32:17 It's only in that case where the item first first has to be hochshar to be m'kabel tumas mais. 32:22 Why? The Gemara says, "Mishum d'lo m'tamei b'chadasha." 32:26 Cuz remember again, tumas mais as I will say tumas mais does not convey tumah only in the size of a k'zayis, not k'chadasha, not even a minute amount. 32:37 Of our sheretz the metamei v'chadasha, but sheretz which conveys tumah even in a small amount the size of a lentil, eima l'odi b'hechsher. 32:46 Perhaps tumas sheretz can be contracted even if the item was not hochsher l'kabel tumah. 32:52 V'yashminu on sheretz mishum d'lo metamei tumah shivah. 32:56 Furthermore, again, if it would have told us that by tumas sheretz the item first has to be hochsher l'kabel tumah, why is that? 33:03 Because tumas sheretz does not create a 7-day tumah. 33:06 Av ameis d'metamei tumas shivah, eima l'odi b'hechsher. 33:12 But ameis, ultimately again, which isn't metamei for 7 days, perhaps strength of that tumah does not require does not require ultimately hochsher l'kabel tumah. 33:24 Therefore, it's weak. Therefore, we need both. 33:25 So, what I'm saying is really interesting. 33:27 So, therefore, it turns out that the redundancy is not redundant at all. 33:30 Rather, again, one pasuk was coming to teach me that for tumas ameis, in order for an item to contract tumas ameis, the item has to be hochsher l'kabel tumah, contact with a liquid. 33:41 And the second pasuk teaches me that for tumas sheretz, in order for an item to contract tumas sheretz, it has to be hochsher l'kabel tumah. 33:49 Incredible. The Gemara goes right to massei Rav Yosef. 33:52 So, Rav Yosef raised the kasha. 33:55 Rebbi Shimon over hochsher b'shchitah. 33:57 Now, Rebbi Shimon says that halachah l'maaseh halachah l'maaseh hochsher b'shchitah. 34:03 Now, what's hochsher b'shchitah? 34:05 Ultimately again, hochsher b'shchitah means that that an item goes ahead and is hochsher l'kabel tumah. 34:13 So, by shchitah, hochsher b'filu m'mini b'hu rishon v'sheini. 34:18 Now, when we say hochsher, ultimately again, doesn't that mean even to make something a rishon or a sheini? 34:26 Am I? But why is that? 34:27 B'hav lav ochel haba b'mayim. 34:30 Now, again, about saving memory again, let's take a step back. 34:33 Back to our mission. 34:34 All roads lead back to our mission. 34:35 That we shouldn't send that when you shuckt an animal, that animal is the camel to my. 34:43 So, the Gamara says the meat is camel to my, but why? 34:46 But the meat did not come in contact with a liquid. 34:50 So, what's happening over here? 34:51 Didn't it come in contact with it? 34:52 Why should it be kosher? 34:53 To which the Gamara says, I'm going to buy you a silk action by me to have a lot of them. 34:58 This is very interesting. 34:58 So, I buy it. 34:59 So, the Gamara says I buy it and said that according to Shimon, when you shuckt an animal, that is the equivalent as if the meat came in contact with water. 35:09 But that is only me to have a lot of them. 35:11 What is this me to have a lot of them? 35:12 I should me to have a lot of them. 35:14 For those a lot of them of the kitchen in my Google. 35:17 Okay. I'm going to be zero score. 35:19 So, what is it that therefore they will say so just what what's happening right now? 35:23 We don't have resolution on this, but we have a whole bunch of stuff swirling around which is really interesting. 35:29 I still remember again. 35:30 I've So, first of all, in general, we have our overarching focus. 35:34 What's our overarching focus? 35:35 Keep We keep going back to the mission. 35:37 That I will call the mission that you shuckt without blood. 35:39 No blood came out. 35:40 So, the kind of camel said meat is that the camel to my. 35:44 Ultimately, again, Shimon says no, no, no. 35:46 So, my social shuckt is the master. 35:48 So, that's my focus number one. 35:50 Then within that again, what we are doing today is what is Shimon means. 35:53 Shimon means just the shuckt that's master. 35:56 Blood is not master. 35:57 Okay. Then in addition, what else do we have? 35:59 What type of blood from an animal is master? 36:02 What type is not? 36:03 Remember again, we've got them shuckt. 36:05 We've got them a lot of them. 36:07 We've got them a lot of them. 36:09 We've got them a lot of them. 36:10 We've got all varieties of blood. 36:12 We got all kinds of blood going on over here. 36:15 And the challenge is which one is master? 36:16 Which one is not master? 36:18 Then we now have a lot of them. 36:20 Right? Says that again when something is ultimately it's it's it's it's a lot of them. 36:26 cover cover. Well, what does that mean? 36:29 Does that mean it's just hook shall I cover cover to my itself that it could contract tomorrow? 36:33 Could it contract and not convey? 36:35 Could it contract and convey also open items? 36:39 So, just keep track of all these open items in your session. 36:43 We'll say, "Don't worry. 36:44 I know I know you're on the edge of your seat with this stuff. 36:46 I promise we're going to get resolution on this and we'll we'll follow we'll see the answers to all of this and again walk away really with a tremendous amount of knowledge." 36:54 So, the Mar goes right to the We're not finished. 36:55 We're we still have to develop this a bit more. 36:57 So, touch my I'm going to visit her. 36:58 Touch my have both of the God. 37:00 This is another very interesting case over here. 37:02 I'm collecting grapes in a basket. 37:04 Collecting grapes in a basket because I'm going to take the grapes to the press. 37:08 Now, what ends up happening? 37:09 Obviously, when you have a bunch of grapes in a basket, what ends up happening? 37:12 The juice oozes out. 37:14 So, the Mar says, "Now, what happened? 37:16 Now, all of these grapes have become wet, have become moist." 37:20 Now, obviously, again, that wine wine or juice that comes from a grape is one of the types of liquids that makes something hook shall I cover cover. 37:28 So, the Mar says, "Now, what's the shaila?" 37:29 So, the Mar says, "Now, what's the shaila?" 37:31 The shaila is, are the grapes in the basket hook shall I cover cover or not? 37:36 Shamai omer hook shall I cover cover. 37:38 Shamai says, "Yeah. Yeah. 37:39 Yeah. Of course, it's hook shall I cover cover." 37:41 Hillel omer lo hook shall I cover cover. 37:42 Hillel says ultimately again, "No, it's not hook shall I cover cover." 37:44 The Mar says, "Now, watch this. 37:46 V shosik lay Hillel l'Shamai." 37:49 And this is actually very interesting. 37:50 V shosik Hillel l'Shamai means ultimately again, Hillel was ultimately silenced silenced before Shamai, which is another way of saying that Hillel came around Hillel came around to go ahead and accept Shamai's position. 38:05 Incredible. The Mar says, "Now, what happened?" 38:07 It happens to be It happens to Okay. 38:10 We'll we'll we'll discuss in just a moment, but so am I am I v'halo ochel b'mayim. 38:16 Well, I don't understand, but why? 38:17 Why would the grapes be hook shall I cover cover? 38:20 After all, the grapes did not come in contact with water. 38:23 Otherwise, the will say we're assuming that maybe water is water and not another liquid. 38:27 So, the grapes didn't come in contact with water. 38:29 And the by a asuka shamayim the rabbis made it as if as if the grapes came in contact with water midrabana. 38:38 Midrabana am Ravi Shimon Amina Amina Amina Hochshara Shrita. 38:48 So, I was talking to you before that the animal that ate the meat becomes Hochshara through Shrita itself. 38:53 The Amara is the asuka shamayim and ultimately again you're saying to me that it's as if it became receptive through contact with water from the Ravi Shimon Amara Amara Ravi Shimon Amara asuka shamayim. 39:08 And again and I said to you about Shrita Ravi Shimon and once again you responded back that the Hazal made it as if it came in contact with water. 39:17 >> [clears throat and snorts] >> Ravi Shimon Lakish Nami asuka shamayim. 39:20 Why don't you say something like a Lakish? 39:22 Ravi Lakish that's how Hazal made it. 39:24 Hazal instituted that as if it came in contact with water. 39:27 Amara Amara Ravi Shimon Lakish coming by he coming by Lakish Ravi Lakish is the source of this circling back now to the gourd case also. 39:37 Ravi Lakish was not talking about Tolin. 39:40 Ravi Lakish is wondering under what circumstances would we be able to burn this as Truma Tamea. 39:47 Mekhlal the Khivas Hakodesh Doraisa. 39:50 Now you know what I'm saying it's now becoming full circle. 39:52 So, you know what I'm saying by the way by the way so now remember how did we get into this? 39:56 We got into this because the Amara was trying to figure out when we say that an item is Hochshara Kavul Tuma through Khivas Hakodesh. 40:03 Does Khivas Hakodesh make it like contact with water or not? 40:08 That's that's our fundamental Shaila. 40:10 So, what I'm saying that interestingly enough the Amara says what we can infer from this is that Halacha Lema'asa the concept of Khivas kodesh is doraisa. 40:18 Like this idea that when something is kodesh, it is ro'i lekabel tumah. 40:23 That concept is doraisa. 40:24 First thing he says, "Minan? 40:26 Where do you know that from? 40:27 Where Where Where do you know that because [snorts] something is hekdesh, halacha lema'aseh, it is now receptive to be mekabel tumah? 40:35 Where do you know that from?" 40:36 He even brings a pasuk "Vhabasar sheyigah bechol tumah, um the Gemara says, "If you If you will say because the pasuk itself says "Vhabasar sheyigah bechol tumah lo ye'achel, ba'ish yisaref." 40:49 So, maybe you'll say the meat The meat which is sacrificial meat, which will touch any tumah thing, shall not be eaten, it shall be burned." 40:57 Now, again, the pasuk Now, here's what's interesting. 40:59 Which sacrificial meat does this refer to? 41:01 Any sacrificial meat. And if you notice again, the Torah doesn't make a distinction. 41:05 Was it ro'i lekabel tumah, not ro'i lekabel tumah? 41:08 So, what does that make it sound like? 41:10 Any sacrificial meat by definition is ro'i lekabel tumah. 41:13 Hibaser dishakasha bemay? So, we'll say, "Now, watch this. 41:17 This is fascinating." So, now, Torah gives me a blanket rule. 41:19 What's the blanket rule? 41:21 If sacrificial meat comes in contact with something that is tumah, what's the halacha? 41:26 What's the halacha? What does Torah say? 41:28 You burn it. The Gemara says, "One second. 41:30 In order Let's take a step back. 41:32 In order for something that is a food item to be mekabel tumah, what do you need? 41:37 What do you need? 41:38 What do you need? 41:39 Contact with a liquid." 41:40 Gemara says, "Hold up. 41:41 Where did this sacrificial Where did this sacrificial meat come in contact with a liquid, right? 41:46 When did that happen?" 41:47 The Gemara says, "Bemay? 41:48 How did this kasha bemay? 41:49 How did it become huchshar? 41:51 Did it become receptive?" 41:52 "Ilima dishakasha bedam." "Oh, well, that's simple. 41:55 It came in contact ultimately again with sacrificial blood." 41:58 Not going to work. 41:59 Why? From Rebbi Chiya bar Abba Rebbi Yochanan, "Minayin lan dam kodashim kodashim she'eino machshir?" 42:05 Sacrificial blood, interestingly enough, isn't does not make an item receptive to tumah. 42:10 How do we know this? 42:11 She knows so well and all the rest come out the Torah says by blood do not eat it spill it out on the ground. 42:20 Damn it but come on only blood remember blood is compared to water what kind of blood is compared to water what kind of blood blood that's spilled on the ground what type of blood is spilled on the ground regular blood 42:36 right but sacrificial blood is that can not spill on the ground. 42:39 Sacrificial blood is that can not collected therefore it's not compared to water because it's not compared to water therefore what it does not act as a it does not act as a max shear. 42:49 It does not make something receptive to the Ella so you know what I'm saying therefore both say okay so you know what we're going to we're going to stop over here for today we're going to stop over here I just 42:56 want to I want to be clear as to where we're stopping cuz again we're so so close to the end over here tomorrow's going to be so good so you know what I'm saying so just where we're stopping we're stopping 43:05 the says we all accepted the concept of of kodash max shear toe. 43:10 Something is hectic ultimately again it is receptive to tumah. 43:14 The Torah just says where do you know that from? 43:17 So again the Torah quoted a possuk the possuk said that if sacrificial meat comes in contact with tumah you have to burn it. 43:23 Obviously that means the meat was receptive to tumah. 43:26 How was the meat receptive to tumah? 43:29 That's our question. Originally we thought it's from the blood ultimately again of the the sacrifice itself that's not going to work because that blood is not is not max shear because only blood spilled out on the ground is a max 43:42 shear not sacrificial blood. 43:44 So how is sacrificial meat fit how is it to be continued tomorrow both say in the resolution of the rest of the sugiya as well. 43:52 Shkoyach. Everyone have a great day. 43:56 Shabbos everyone.
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