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0:09 All right, so we'll say good morning. 0:11 Let's let's begin. We are picking up We are picking up on dafa. 0:18 Today's dafa 69. But we are picking up in sham. 0:25 We are picking up The matter of a muscle which I will say is two, four, six, eight, nine lines up from the bottom on the base on 68b. 0:41 So in seconds just >> [snorts] >> There are a lot of lot of good to do today also if we get a chance. 0:54 Okay, so we'll say let's go. 0:57 Now it's time. They had the following version of this dispute. 1:01 The says that there is such a thing as birth for limbs. 1:07 The says no there is no such thing as birth for limbs. 1:13 Now what are they talking about? 1:15 Take a look at the says over here first of the wide lines. 1:19 The says once the once the limb exits the mother it's as if it is born and therefore again even if the pulls the limb back that pulling of the limb back does not help in any way which effectively is like 1:40 the position of the says. 1:42 On the other hand said in the just because the limb came out does not mean it's caught on quote born and therefore even if the extends its limb as long as it pulls it back in the L'Maaseh, that limb will 1:58 be mutar. And I will say that limb being mutar, that's like the position of Ulla. 2:04 So, my Rabbanan, I will say what's the nafka mina between these approaches? 2:07 So, now I will say what's the difference between this framing of [snorts] the machlokes and the previous framing of the machlokes that we had between Rav and Ulla. 2:17 Eka beinaihu l'maaseh miut eiver shebifnim. 2:20 And I will say the nafka mina would be about what happens if a a minority of the eiver was left inside the mother. 2:28 Look at Rashi. Rashi says over here, l'maaseh miut eiver, second wide line in Rashi, im yatza rubo v'nish'ar miut. 2:37 I will say if the majority of the limb came out and only a miut of the limb was left inside the mother, l'lishna basra d'lo ke l'shon leida d'havik yalid. 2:46 According to the second approach, I will say second version, which uses a lashon of leida, so if the majority of the limb was born, everyone would agree that Halacha L'Maaseh, the miut inside would be assur. 2:58 U'lishna kama lo na'asa ela hayotzei. 3:01 But according to the first version, ultimately again, even those who assur a limb that comes out of the mother, only actually assur the part of the limb that came out, but the miut of the limb which was left inside never 3:14 exited the mother, Halacha L'Maaseh would remain mutar. 3:18 So, the Gemara goes right to Eibalahu. 3:20 L'difer how omer ein leida l'eivarim. 3:23 I will say according to the opinion who says there is no such thing as birth for limbs. 3:28 And I will say understand what that means. 3:30 If there's no such thing as birth for limbs, what that means is when a limb of the animal comes out and is subsequently drawn back in, that limb is mutar. 3:42 So, if you hold ein leida l'eivarim, hotzi'a ubar et yad over chazira, chazar v'hotzi'a et yad over chazira. 3:49 So, if the ubar went ahead and extended its foreleg and brought it in. 3:53 And then again, extended a part of the body and brought it in. 3:56 Actually, it was a to the point that if you go ahead and you look at everything it extended outside of the womb, it turns out that the majority of the body of the animal actually exited the womb. 4:09 So, you see what's happening over here is this Uber is sticking out body parts, right? 4:14 And then pulling them back in. 4:16 It was a to the point that when you look at everything that extended outside of the womb, the majority of the animal has quote unquote exited but has subsequently come back in. 4:25 My whole It was a what is the in such a situation? 4:29 Me I mean not Uber. 4:30 Do we say well, at this point in time the majority of the animal has been born and therefore again it's as if the animal has been born or or do we have the other or do we say no, once the 4:43 limbs were brought back in, then what? 4:45 It's as if they never left. 4:49 And if you want to say that once the limbs were brought back in, they are brought back in. 5:00 We'll say if the Uber stuck out a body part and you cut it off and this kept on happening until the majority of the body of the Uber had exited and was cut off, my whole what's the whole thing? 5:12 Do we say the majority of the body has exited or do we say that you need the rope but you need the rope at once? 5:30 So, we'll say what was the principle we learned? 5:32 The is that if you cut off a piece of the animal inside the animal, ultimately again it will be also. 5:38 We'll say that was the case in the mission where I reach into the mother and I cut the spleen or I cut the kidneys. 5:44 So, we'll say in that case it's going to be also. 5:46 Why? cuz remember again that's effectively Avraham Min Ha'Achai. 5:50 But Halacha L'Maaseh She'Eino Gufa, if you reach inside the mother and cut off some part that is not part of her, not part of her body, Halacha L'Maaseh it's mutar. 5:59 What is that referring to? 6:01 The Gemara says Lo L'Asuyei Mai. 6:02 Lav L'Asuyei Ki Gavna. 6:04 The Gemara says that not coming to include this type of case that we just said. 6:09 To which the Gemara says Lo L'Asuyei Kol Ha'Tzvi U'Mai Para. 6:13 No, in fact that is coming to include this case that we mentioned yesterday of what? 6:17 Of a non non um cloven-hoofed fetus. 6:23 So we'll say if the mother is carrying a child that does not have split hooves to teach me that Halacha L'Maaseh that child when found inside the mother is going to be mutar. 6:36 V'Al Libei D'Rebbi Shimon. 6:38 D'Avah Gavna Rebbi Shimon Kol Ha'Tzvi U'Ven Para Assur. 6:41 We'll say even Rebbi Shimon says that if let's say for example a cow gives birth to another cow but the baby cow does not have split hooves Rebbi Shimon holds that the offspring is going to be assur. 6:54 Hani Me'Ilei Heicha D'Yatz'a L'Avira Olam. 6:57 When is the offspring assur, Rebbi Ovadiah? 6:59 That's only when it was born. 7:01 However, Aval B'Mai Imo Shari. 7:03 But if you shecht the mother, you cut it o- cut her open and you find the offspring inside of the mother even Rebbi Shimon will agree that's what? 7:12 That offspring will be mutar. 7:15 So by Rebbi Chananya, we'll say another case. 7:17 Hotzi Ubar Et Yado Ba'Azara Mahu. 7:20 We'll say this is another very interesting case. 7:22 Let's say you have the following situation. 7:23 Rashi says you have a shlamim. 7:26 Right? Shlamim. And what happens? 7:28 The shlamim is inside of the Azara of the Beit Ha'Mikdash. 7:32 And now what happens, we'll say the shlamim happens to be pregnant. 7:35 The ubar sticks its hand out of the mother while in the Azara of the Beit Ha'Mikdash. 7:42 So now we'll say we'll what's the shaila? 7:44 So the shaila is what's the status of the limb that comes out of the mother? 7:48 Why? So do we say migo d'hava mechitza l'gabei kodshim havina mi l'gabei d'hai? 7:55 So I'll say remember again, assuming that we're paskening like Rav, which is that when the uber extends its limb outside of the mother, that limb ultimately will be assur. 8:06 Why is it assur? 8:07 Basar basadeh treifos lo so cheilon, it's gone outside of its mechitza. 8:13 So I'll say so now listen to this interesting case. 8:15 The mother in this case is a shlamim. 8:17 She's standing inside of the base hamikdash, inside the Azara. 8:21 The uber sticks its hand out of the mother. 8:24 So what's the shaila Ravosai? 8:26 Do we consider as if the limb of the uber has gone outside of its mechitza? 8:31 On one hand, the mother's standing inside of her mechitza. 8:35 So do we say that since the mother's inside the mechitza for korbanos, the Rav says the gabei the I'm sorry. 8:42 Do we say l'gabei kodshim havina mi I'm sorry migo d'hava mechitza l'gabei kodshim, since again the base hamikdash is the mechitza for sacrificial animals, havina mi l'gabei d'hai. 8:53 Therefore it'll also be the mechitza for the uber and therefore the limb that comes out will still be mutar. 8:59 Old zol mal gabei d'hai lav mechitza hi. 9:02 Or do we say no for the uber the base hamikdash is not the mechitza. 9:06 Why? The mechitza uber imo hi. 9:09 Cuz I'll say the mechitza for an uber is what? 9:12 The mechitza for an uber is its mother. 9:14 And therefore as soon as it extends its limb outside of its mother, it's outside of the mechitza and therefore again the limb will be assur. 9:20 Amar Rav Ashi Amar Rav Ashi says v'iti b'chol kodshim kalim b'Yerushalayim. 9:25 So Rav Ashi says by the way, you don't just have to ask this question with kodshei kodashim in the base hamikdash, you could ask this question with kodshei kodashim kalim b'Yerushalayim. 9:34 Rav Ashi remember again, kodshim kalim cannot be shechted in Yerushalayim, but they can be consumed in Yerushalayim. 9:42 So, you could ask the same shaila about Kodeshim Kalim Yerushalayim. 9:45 So, the Gemara says, "My time a little coming by the Gemara says, "Why don't you ask about Kodeshim Kalim Yerushalayim?" 9:53 Because you understand that for an Uber, the mechitza of the Uber ultimately again is its mother. 9:59 Ha Gemara says, "Mechitza Uber imahu." 10:02 Therefore, what we understand over here as well that the mechitza of an Uber is its mother. 10:06 So, what comes out over here is that Halacha L'Maaseh, sacrificial animal, not sacrificial animal, the mechitza of the Uber is its mother. 10:17 And therefore, Halacha L'Maaseh, whatever the circumstances, if the Uber extends a limb outside of its mother, that limb is considered to be as if it has extended past its mechitza, and therefore will be assur. 10:29 By Ilfa, Ilfa asks another question. 10:33 Hold the Uber as Yado bein Simanim. 10:35 So, what say what happens if the Uber extends its foreleg in between the two Simanim? 10:41 So, what we're saying in this case, you're actively shachting the mother. 10:46 And the Uber goes ahead and extends its leg in between the cutting of the first and second Simanim. 10:53 So, what's the Halacha that we're saying in that case? 10:55 Now, you understand of course a big nafka mina. 10:58 Essentially, what we're asking over here is, well, let's see. 11:00 Mahu? So, we'll say, "Do we say that essentially again we we we essentially combine the processes of the cutting of the first and second Simanim?" 11:12 As we'll say, "Once you start cutting the first Siman, we're mitztaref the cutting of the second Siman with that as well." 11:20 And therefore again, the the leg that comes out is no longer an aveila. 11:26 O lo, or not. 11:27 So, what we're essentially really asking over here, we'll say, is do we look at the act of the cunning of the simanim ultimately again? 11:35 What you know what this sounds like? 11:37 This almost takes us back to our previous machlokes of yesh lo shchita mitchila v'asof or ein lo shchita elo l'asof. 11:45 How do you look at shchita? 11:46 Is shchita one continuous act or is it an act which ultimately only culminates at the end with the cutting of the second siman? 11:54 Rava says, "Kal vachomer." 12:00 So we'll say, if we say that the cutting of the first siman combines with the second siman so as to permit the eating of the animal, certainly and again what? 12:10 Certainly halacha l'maaseh, it will go ahead and work to be matir that limb from the veilah. 12:17 So therefore we'll say ultimately what we're saying over here is that halacha l'maaseh, in the event that the animal extended the limb in between the first and second simanim, we would view that as if what? 12:28 The animal extended the limb at the end of the shchita and therefore again would not be nevelah. 12:34 So the Gemara goes right there. 12:35 "B'Rabbi Yirmiyah, mahu lachosh l'zara?" 12:38 So that's another interesting case. 12:39 Now, at first we're not exactly sure what this means, but we'll just translate it. 12:44 Do we have to be choshesh for the offspring of this animal? 12:48 Now we'll say when we say offspring of this animal, we're talking about a little bit of a different case over here. 12:52 Mother is pregnant, right? 12:54 Uber extends its foreleg, okay? 12:57 Then what happens? Then what happens? 12:59 Mother is shachted. Animal is born. 13:02 Animal is born. Now this animal grows up, mates with another animal, produces offspring. 13:09 Look at Rashi. Rashi says, "Mahu lachosh l'zara?" 13:13 Rashi says over here, "Shel uber zeh shehotzi'ah yad v'nishchita imo v'otzi ulchai v'gadal ub'alah b'heima v'holed moshi'ah eiv k'yotzei b'eiv met." 13:25 So we'll say we're asking over here is a very interesting case. 13:27 see, so what you have over here was in this case. 13:30 So, again, remember I take this Uber. 13:32 This Uber itself this Uber itself went ahead and extended its leg out of the mother. 13:39 Then it was shucked it. 13:40 Now it's totally alive ready grows up mammoth meets with another animal. 13:45 So, what say, what's interesting about this animal is what? 13:48 Is that how I said has a limb which is also. 13:52 So, what say, you understand this? 13:53 Meaning the animal will call the Uber animal has a limb that is also. 13:58 Why is the limb also? 14:00 Because it extended itself outside of the machista. 14:03 So, I would say so the shyla is what is the impact of this also limb on future offspring of this animal? 14:14 So, the shyla says as follows. 14:15 So, by my my shyla which the shyla says, "Hey, hey dummy. 14:21 Well, what exactly is the case?" 14:23 If you want to say that the animal that you want to say that we'll call it we'll call it the Uber animal. 14:28 Right, the Uber animal now that it's all grown up. 14:29 If you want to say that it's mating with a regular animal, so my area high so my area high my area high is also you will say a few been the animal will say first wild lines that the animal so 14:47 I would say if you're talking about that it's mating with a regular animal, then how I might say the shyla is not just on this kind of animal. 14:54 The shyla is in general what we call a been pakua. 14:57 The animal say been pakua is when you shucked the mother, open it up, find a viable fetus. 15:05 The fetus is alive and starts jumping around. 15:07 The animal say that animal again we already established that what? 15:11 That animal I might say does not require any subsequent shrita. 15:15 Why? Because it was permitted ultimately again with the shrita of the mother. 15:20 But this animal does present an interesting dilemma in terms of its offspring. 15:27 How so? The We're going to see this Sugya later on. 15:32 The Rebbi Shasha says, the divrei omer choshesh in the zera av cuz the We'll see ultimately again according to the opinion who says that when it comes to animals, we have to look at the father, not just the mother. 15:50 We'll say this is amazing. 15:51 Then we'll say if the father is a ben pakua, ben pakua means the father is this type of animal that technically speaking was permitted with the shchita of its mother. 16:01 And now father is a child. 16:03 We'll say the offspring of that union of a ben pakua and a regular animal is stuck, has no remedy. 16:10 We'll not We'll say this is actually amazing because halacha If you look at Rashi, ain lo takana sh'mitzat aviv into shchita. 16:18 Well, listen to this. 16:20 Because from its father's side, it doesn't require shchita. 16:23 Why doesn't it require shchita We'll say? 16:25 Because from its father's side, father is already considered to be like it's shchited. 16:29 From the mother's side, it requires shchita. 16:31 We'll say as we're going to see again, Rashi already points out this Sugya is on ayin hey. 16:35 We'll see it in just a little bit. 16:37 We'll say essentially what you have over here, the offspring of a ben pakua and a regular animal is considered to be as if half of its simanim are already cut. 16:49 If half of the simanim are already cut, such an animal cannot be remedied by shchita. 16:56 So, such We'll say the animal has no halachic remedy. 17:01 So, if you're telling me therefore again the Gemara says, they're talking about a ben pakua, the fact that the animal went ahead and extended its limb outside of the mother is totally irrelevant. 17:10 In general, we have bigger problems when a ben pakua fathers an animal with a {quote} unquote normal animal. 17:17 Lo tzericha Why was the case? 17:19 The other other Ben Pakua the oh, what say here's the shaila. 17:24 One Ben Pakua go ahead goes ahead and mates with another Bas Pakua. 17:29 Right? So two two Ben Pakua animals mate. 17:32 So what say so in that case by the way it would appear that I say you got to mate in the shade. 17:36 Why? Cuz it would say cuz it would appear that the offspring of those two animals requires no shrita. 17:42 But the shaila now says watch this. 17:44 Find your Ben Pakua has another issue which is that when he was in utero he extended a leg out and pulled it back in. 17:52 So what say now when he's born he's not only a Ben Pakua but what? 17:56 He has an aver which is assur al tzi yotzei. 18:00 So the problem is what say this is a very complex family tree over here, right? 18:04 [clears throat] So what say so what happens? 18:05 So father Ben Pakua has a limb attached to him which is assur, right? 18:11 He has a limb which is assur. 18:12 He now mates with a female Bas Pakua. 18:16 They have offspring. So shrita the offspring doesn't need. 18:20 What's the shaila? The shaila is what's the impact of the father's assur limb on the offspring? 18:28 It's actually quite incredible. 18:29 So the Gemara says my. 18:30 So the Gemara says the assur Ben Pakua the my aver aver molid aver. 18:37 So what say do we say that essentially the foreleg of the father corresponds to the foreleg of the offspring? 18:45 And just like the foreleg of the off father is assur so to the foreleg of the offspring is going to be assur. 18:52 And therefore again the and all you need to do is cut off the foreleg of the offspring and the animal will be fine. 19:00 Oh dilma me balbel zare. 19:03 Or do we say what say that's not exactly how it works. 19:06 In other words when we say we don't say therefore the father's leg corresponds to for leg. 19:13 And the father's hind leg is assur rather again my bubbles are able to say means that what? 19:18 The father's seed is mixed into every part of his offspring. 19:23 So how do I subsequently said sheet the bubbles there obvious that the father's seed is diffused throughout his offspring. 19:34 The income because of it wasn't like that then we would say Suma Yola Suma the guitar Yola guitar cuz then otherwise what would happen? 19:43 A blind father would have blind children a crippled father would have crippled children and sheet of the bubbles are a rather is clear that what that the seed of the father is diffused throughout the offspring. 19:54 If that's the case here's the cash. 20:07 So in general watch this. 20:09 A father has a child. 20:11 I will say in that father animal that father animal has parts of him that are permitted and parts of them that are permitted. 20:17 For example, the father has in him what? 20:20 And he has forbidden fats and he has blood and what happens even though the offspring is the result of the father's Caleb and Dom nevertheless what? 20:32 The offspring is motor therefore I will say even in this case where the father been Pacquiao has what? 20:40 Has what? Has a limb which is also it shouldn't impact the status of the offspring. 20:50 To say I will say perhaps we say no. 20:53 Perhaps you know at most I will say two is what the father could pass on to his child but more is not. 21:02 So the father could the father could go and pass on the issue there a hill the issue of Dom and it won't negatively impact the child, but he can't pass on any more. 21:11 Therefore, if there is an awesome limb of the father that's will in fact impact the child. 21:17 So, they give us all of them who's the pain this is a fact either that I'll be mayor so we'll save shelter mayor and again we'll say we're going to see this later on. 21:25 I remember is of the opinion to hold that the Israel of hill of a applies ultimately again to the child in utero or to the placenta. 21:33 So, they give us says what either that I'll be mayor Israel of hill of the dam ecom is the yota leka. 21:40 What is the current of the mayor the Israel of hill of the dam applies but the mayor does not subscribe to the Israel of yota say. 21:46 Either that I'll be mayor Judah is the yota say ecom of the Judah holds of the Israel of yota say but Israel of hill of the dam leka. 21:54 But he does not uphold that the Israel of hill of the dam applies to what to a child in utero. 21:58 This none get a notion no way the show deal. 22:02 The prohibition of get a notion applies ultimately again what they say show deal what do you mean it's a placenta. 22:08 What it means is in utero the hill of a sir and it's hill of a sir the very mayor. 22:13 The very Judah or mayor a notion of show deal the hill of a matter Allah call me call low a mean on the show way. 22:22 Rather what they will say what you have to say is as follows. 22:25 We do not assume that the offspring is fully reflective of the core of the father and therefore even an offspring that comes from a father which has a limb which is a sir will be matter. 22:39 Say for I will say in this specific case where again I will call the mayor sir the most of very specific case where a bent pakua father meets with a bent pakua mother but the bent pakua father happens to have 22:52 what happens to have what? 22:53 A limb that is a sir else yota say that is sir does not trickle down to the child and the child will be permitted. 23:04 The coming body line. 23:05 And I will say really what the is asking is something very different. 23:11 I will say the is actually asking something different. 23:14 Look here for just a moment. 23:15 I will say it's in Rashi in the wide lines. 23:18 It's a two, four, six, eight lines up from the bottom of the lines. 23:21 Hello, the coming line mean on the left side. 23:26 We should have a clock is there. 23:27 Hello, hello, excuse me. 23:29 Hello. In the video here you have a person to do this. 23:37 Child is something different. 23:39 What happens I will say in this case of say, right? 23:42 What happens if the offspring was a female? 23:45 Right, so what happens? 23:46 The mother is carrying a child. 23:47 The child extended a limb, pulled the limb back. 23:50 The limb is out to say. 23:52 The offspring happens to be a female. 23:55 Is her milk permitted or not? 23:59 So the says, what what's the most of so I say in general again we say you know so we're going to get to this by the way. 24:10 Milk is an interesting idea. 24:12 If you think about it, milk should really be awesome. 24:14 Milk of an animal should be awesome. 24:15 Why? I don't know what I got to say. 24:17 Right, or potential down which you're going to get to as well. 24:20 Right? So I will say interesting enough it's not for reasons we'll discuss. 24:23 So in general milk is not going to say even in a high. 24:26 So the says so the says therefore again what do we say the same thing about the milk of this animal that also has an issue say. 24:36 Oh awesome is the counter to the issue of the haha. 24:42 Lastly the counter to the issue of the haha. 24:45 What I will say do we say normally no? 24:47 The reason why milk is is permitted is because technically speaking the animal could be rendered absolutely permitted through say. 24:56 I will say in this case over here of the bent pakua animal, the animal cannot be rendered totally mutar b'shita. 25:02 Why not? So, first again we will say the animal doesn't need shita, but there's a different issue over here, which is what? 25:08 That ultimately again the limb which extended outside of the mother can ever remains assur. 25:15 So, maybe therefore halacha l'maaseh, the milk should be assur as well. 25:19 To which the Gemara says teiku. 25:21 What does it say? 25:21 Therefore again, the Gemara kind of leaves does that permitted status of the limb transfer to the milk or not? 25:29 The Gemara does not seem to answer that particular question. 25:31 So, the Gemara goes weiter. 25:33 Choteg mi'uber. So, again we will say if you remember again, the Mishna said if you reach inside the mother and cut up a cut a piece of the fetus, so the fetus remains permitted. 25:44 But if you cut into some internal organ of the mother, ultimately again that part remains assur, oitz eiver min hachai. 25:52 So, the Gemara says mi'eila, where do we know this distinction? 25:54 So, they said v'chol b'heima m'va'eres es haparsa. 25:57 B'heima ba'b'heima l'rabos es havalad. 26:01 Cuz they will say cuz again it says b'heima ba'b'heima, ultimately that comes to include the the animal in utero. 26:09 So, al mi atah yameer u'vo. 26:11 We will say if that's the case that the that the animal that the animal in utero is considered to be a bonafide b'heima, so you should be able to do temurah with it as well. 26:21 Al lo matnan ein m'ameerin l'eivarim b'uberin, l'eivarim d'eivarim, l'eivarim b'uberin u'shleimin, u'shleimin b'eivarim. 26:28 You will say we see that what? 26:29 You can't do temurah, right? 26:31 Which is an illegal exchange. 26:33 You can't do temurah with an eiver with with an uber. 26:35 Ela amar kra v'chol b'heima l'rabos es havalad. 26:39 Rather we will say the pasuk says v'chol b'heima to come to include ultimately again the uber. 26:46 Sei i hachi, afilu choteg min hakol u'min haklayos nami. 26:51 We will say if that's the case then even if you reach into the mother and you cut off a piece of the kidneys or the spleen, that should also be mutar. 26:58 Al amat non, why did we learn in the Mishnah chotik min ha uber shiv may al mutar ba'achila? 27:04 If you cut a piece of the child in utero, it's going to be mutar, it's going to be mutar ba'achila. 27:09 Min Akol min Aklios also ba'achila. 27:12 But yet if you cut off a piece of the spleen or the kidneys, R' will say for that matter any internal organ of the mother, it's going to be assur alts even in Akai. 27:20 So Amakra ossa shlima v'lo chasira. 27:24 R' will say in order for the animal to be mutar, it has to be ossa. 27:27 Ossa means it has to be complete and not deficient. 27:31 Al ami ata shochit sabeheima v'lo al demus yona tishari. 27:34 R' will say actually interesting case. 27:36 If this is if that's the case, if you shochit the mother and you open it up and you find inside of it demus yona, R' will say demus yona means you find something that looks like offspring, but it doesn't look 27:48 like the typical offspring of the animal. 27:50 It's say it looks like a bird. 27:51 R' will say in order that you find some uh what's the right word? 27:55 Some deformed offspring inside the mother that is that is clearly again, I know it's offspring cuz it's growing inside the mother, but it clearly does not resemble the mother in any way, it should be permitted, right? 28:07 It should be permitted with the shchita of the mother. 28:09 Al ami ata R' Yochanan shochit sabeheima motza ba'demus yona assur ba'achila. 28:14 Yet R' Yochanan said that if you shochit the mother and you find inside of it a demus yona, it's going to be assur. 28:20 To which why is that? 28:21 R' will say Amud Beis ba'ina parsos v'lecha. 28:25 Cuz R' will say Alacha l'maisa that's that parsos. 28:27 R' will say parsos means that Alacha l'maisa it has to have the simanim of a kosher animal in order for the offspring ultimately again to be kosher with the shchita of the mother, it has to have the simanic kashrus of 28:41 the mother, i.e. split hooves and chewing its cud. 28:44 Al ami ata kalut b'mai beheima l'sar. 28:48 If that's case, R' I will say that if you have an offspring that has uncloven hooves inside of the mother, it should be awesome. 28:55 Hot honey parts of a baby mother killer. 29:01 Yes, I will say a lot of women that what parts of a baby mother killer we learn this already which is what that even if you have an offspring inside of the mother that has one hoof I eat the hooves 29:13 are not split that that animal will be cautious. 29:17 I will say that animal is cautious when when when you find it inside the mother. 29:22 If it's born then at least it will not be it will not be cautious. 29:27 Rather again rather said use the first Russia we espoused. 29:37 I am a mirror but I will say I have the question you had before if that's the case that it's really a baby mother then why shouldn't you be able to do to mother with the upper as well? 29:48 How many women he the to mother the master but say it's women and equates to mother with master baby mother. 29:57 My master in a noisy baby mother but say just like my master baby mother does not apply to limbs or to animals in Europe after mother and I know how it is baby mother so to say doesn't apply to what 30:12 to limbs and to animals in Europe or not camera and I will say from where do we know this? 30:18 From where do we know this? 30:19 This none I'm going to be honest with you follow the master or my regular show Allah cool Allah so you will see says as follows when it comes to if a person says we've actually had this before if a person 30:32 says the leg of this animal should be an Allah so I will say if you're a leg then what happens? 30:40 Cool Allah the entire animal is vested with all the sanctity. 30:46 Kishi Yoma Regel shall Zuta Zoo. 30:49 So hey cool to talk to when you go ahead and you say the leg of this animal should be a tumor for another animal. 30:59 So again the entire animal should become a tumor. 31:02 So the man come out doing so I say who is who is he responding to in the rabbinic rabbinic Buddha. 31:10 Is the highest order. 31:11 So what say the mayor and Buddha to the even hold of this far all together we learned your whole Omer Raglan shall Zoo take cooler older. 31:21 I might have thought that's what that if a person says the leg of this animal should be an older that the entire animal becomes an older town of called a share you can be men who yak older. 31:33 So they hold the policy says anything that you will give of it to a sham will be called a sham. 31:39 Me man who called a sham cooler cooler cooler colder. 31:43 So me and actually hold that what that the mice are you can have a case of if you're Mac dish the leg of an animal as an older that does not automatically make the entire animal an older. 31:57 In fact again how long could very well be that what only the leg is an older. 32:04 You have to take it to the colon. 32:06 So that's the case of only the leg is an older maybe the rest of the animal goes out to colon. 32:10 So I say but have you also say the policy says it shall remain in its state. 32:17 What does that mean? 32:19 So I say so I don't understand so how does this work? 32:21 Here's what you do to market older. 32:25 So I say you sell the animal. 32:27 And the animal itself meaning the actual animal itself should preferably be used for all those with the amount colon and ultimately again the money's received from that sale are holding animals. 32:40 Foods me the may ever Shabbos with the exception of what? 32:44 With the exception ultimately again of the one limb that you were actually mocked it. 32:49 Do you remember me mayor for a bee who does these words of my mayor this will say see you see my mayor of you who the hold that how long I might say how long I might say if you're mocked 32:59 it one limb of an animal that hectic status in fact does not spread to the rest of the animal only that one limb is called a dish sell off the animal for the purpose of a carbon money becomes cooling with 33:14 the exception of the value of that one limb Rabbi Yossi I'm sorry. 33:19 Rabbi Yossi me and I will marry you shall all the zoo take cooler or law we also will say disagree with me and I will do that they say that if I look at the mice and you say the one 33:29 leg of this animal should be an Ola that the entire animal becomes an Ola from where do you know that from time with all my year here the rabble says cooler will say they the word year means that when you 33:41 are mocked it the leg of an Ola will say what happens the entire animal becomes an Ola incredible the entire animal becomes an Ola. 33:52 So the Gamara says the man either will say who is he responding to either Rabbi who does me is the who I swear so I will say if you say that he's trying to be mayor of you who does they 34:02 don't hold that one leg makes the entire animal and Ola and a laugh Rabbi Shimon rather they are responding to Rabbi Shimon to this Gamara says no Rabbi Yossi I'm sorry I love Rabbi Shimon rather will you say that they 34:14 are responding to Rabbi Shimon no Rabbi Yossi timer did I shake hammer rather Rabbi Yossi have to say that Rabbi Yossi is ultimately holding off his own swear. 34:23 So I will say so first of all in this you should know it appears that we are holding like the first opinion that how long I might say if you're mocked it the leg of an animal as an ola being 34:33 mocked dish the leg is not tending out to be mocked dish the animal in its entirety. 34:38 Therefore, what do you do with an animal whose leg has been muk dash? 34:43 You sell the animal first for purposes of a shalom or of an ola. 34:47 Money becomes cooling with the exception of the value of that one limb. 34:51 The most say halacha l'maaseh closing out this sugia. 34:54 So, what do we do in the case of yotzei? 34:58 So, the most say halacha l'maaseh starting with the simple case, which is we already said a lot of this yesterday, but just to close out the sugia. 35:05 Halacha l'maaseh if the head of the animal comes out, right? 35:09 Comes out of the mother, then everyone agrees that what? 35:13 That animal is like it is born and even if it subsequently retracts the head back into the mother, the animal is considered to be yoloed. 35:21 The animal is considered to be born. 35:22 The most say nafka mina for our purposes, head comes out, head goes back in, you then shacht the mother. 35:28 What's the status of the fetus? 35:31 Requires its own shchita. 35:32 It is not niter, it is not permitted with the shchita of the mother. 35:36 The most say what about the other case? 35:37 Listen to this. So, we'll say you look at this on your own. 35:40 This is in Shulchan Aruch Yoreh De'ah siman Yud Daled. 35:43 It's an easy read in Shulchan Aruch. 35:46 The most say let's just say you want halacha. 35:48 Hotzi yado v'eich zero. 35:50 The most say what about the case of yotzei where the animal extended a limb, right? 35:54 Then brought the limb back in prior to shchita. 35:57 Ma she yatza min ha'eiver lachutz assur. 36:00 The most say whatever comes out of the animal is assur. 36:03 Whatever comes out So, we'll say we pasken like Rav against Ulla and Rabbi Yochanan. 36:08 Aval ma she nish'ar mimeni bifnim u'makom chatoch mutar. 36:12 So, we'll say so again, the Shulchan Aruch essentially I'll tell you this halacha just because of time. 36:16 So, we'll say we accept the distinction that we made yesterday, which is that what? 36:21 That halacha l'maaseh if the animal extended the limb, everyone agrees that what? 36:26 That the limb that exited the mother will be ossur. 36:29 Will be ossur al tzei otzei. 36:31 Now what will say the nafka mina is what? 36:33 Is did the animal retract the limb back inside before or after the shchita? 36:39 If it pulled it back in before the shchita then what? 36:42 Then halacha l'maaseh you cut off the limb at the area that is flush with the opening of the womb. 36:48 If however halacha l'maaseh the animal only retracted the limb after the shchita then what? 36:53 You have to move up the cut just a little bit. 36:56 One more case. Im yotzei rov ha'uber harei hu kiyolad. 37:01 Im yotzei chetzyo v'rov eiver o sh'eino rov eiver harei say another interesting case. 37:07 If ultimately again the majority of the uber came out of the mother the majority of the uber exits as if the uber is born and if we're going to say for our purposes even though a mute by its own shchita 37:23 will not be needed with the shchita of the mother. 37:25 Good. There's a lot more in that siman but um like I said you look at it on your own. 37:29 Let's say mishnah. Hamivakeres hamikasha leiled. 37:33 Let's say an interesting case. 37:34 A mother that is giving birth to a firstborn child. 37:37 Giving birth to a bachor. 37:39 So what says what's the halacha? 37:41 So as if the watch this case. 37:43 The bachor is coming out. 37:44 Mechatech eiver eiver. So what says so technically speaking you could cut off one limb at a time right from that animal. 37:54 Umashlich l'klavim. And you could throw it to the dogs. 37:57 Now what will say now now what now what is this talking about over here? 38:00 What it's saying over here is as each eiver comes out that animal does not yet have kedushas bachor. 38:07 Does not yet have firstborn sanctity. 38:10 Because that technically speaking you could cut off limb by limb and throw it to the dogs if you want to. 38:15 However yotzei rubo once the majority of the animal comes out harei zeh yakover. 38:21 Ultimately again halacha l'maaseh one the majority animal comes out, then if you cut off the limbs, you can't throw it to the dog. 38:29 Rather, again, you'd have to bury them because they have bechor sanctity. 38:33 V'nef teres min ha'bechorah. 38:35 And the most halacha l'maaseh, the animal that comes after that first animal will be exempt from bechor. 38:41 In other words, that that any subsequent animals don't have the status of bechor. 38:44 So, let's analyze this a little bit. 38:46 Itmar, yatza shlish umachro l'akum, an interesting case. 38:50 A third of the animal comes out of its mother, and you sell the first third of the animal to a gentile. 38:56 The chazav yatza shlish acher. 38:58 Then I will say the second third comes out. 39:01 Now, obviously, at the time the second third comes out, the most say, "What happens?" 39:04 Once the second third comes out, halacha l'maaseh, now a majority of the animal has exited the mother. 39:12 So, let's say this what happens. 39:13 Ammar Rav Huna, "Kadosh." 39:15 So, let's say the shaila is, "What's the status of this animal?" 39:19 So, Rav Huna says it's kadosh. 39:21 Rabba says it's not kadosh. 39:23 What's happening over here? 39:24 Let's say look at Rashi. 39:25 Rav Huna omer kadosh, bechor zeh. 39:27 The core of the gavi mizbe'ach needs to be on the coins. 39:29 What's here? Rav Huna says that this animal has kedushas bechor. 39:33 Rabba says the animal does not have kedushas bechor. 39:37 Rav Huna omer kadosh. 39:39 Rav Huna says the animal is kadosh. 39:40 Why? Kasav l'mafre'a kadosh. 39:43 Cuz we'll say Rav Huna will say that ultimately, again, the kedusha of this animal extends retroactively. 39:50 Then Rav Huna will say, "When the second third comes out, it turns out that even the first third is going to be kadosh, even though you sold it to an akum." 39:59 D'cheivan d'nafkely ruba, we'll say once the majority of the animal exits the mother, egloy milta l'mafre'a, it turns out attractively it's been clarified to make kadosh of the kadosh that this animal was really kadosh from the beginning. 40:10 And therefore, what? U'mai d'zavin lav klum zavin. 40:13 And we'll say that which you sold is absolutely irrelevant. 40:17 Rabba Amar in the Kadushah, Rabba says the animal was not Kadushah. 40:20 Why? The Gemara says "K'savar mikhan u'l'habah Kadushah." 40:25 K'savar Rabba is actually Rabba fundamental machlokes. 40:28 What's What's the fundamental machlokes? 40:30 When does Kidushas Bechor set in? 40:33 So what's like everyone agrees that Kidushas Bechor begins when? 40:38 At the time that the majority of the animal exits the mother. 40:42 The shailah is what happens when exits the mother? 40:47 So what's like Rav Huna will say that when the majority exits the mother, that Kidushas Bechor is retroactively chaw when? 40:56 When? To the beginning of the birth. 40:59 Rav Huna will say so that was Rav Huna. 41:01 Uh Rabba will say that the Kidushah of the Bechor only begins at the time that the majority of the animal comes out of the mother. 41:10 Therefore again Rabba saying in this case where you sold the first third of the animal to an Akum. 41:17 So Rav Huna will say once the second third is born, so the animal has Kidushas Bechor. 41:22 Once it has Kidushas Bechor, that Kidushah retroactively goes back to the beginning of the birth. 41:27 If it goes back to the beginning of the birth, then what? 41:29 Then what? Then Halacha l'maaseh the sale to the Akum is totally void. 41:34 The sale to the Akum is totally void and meaningless. 41:39 Masha in kein Rabba will say that Halacha l'maaseh the Kidushah of the Bechor only begins when? 41:46 When the majority comes out. 41:47 The problem is by the time the majority comes out the first third has already been sold to the Akum and therefore again the animal has no Kidushas Bechor. 41:56 Rabba so we'll have to stop over here for today. 41:58 We'll pick up in Shamayim with this machlokes tomorrow.
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