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0:00 between excuse me and namely about whether or not the prohibition of ovul espino slaughtering the mother and the father does it only sorry slaughtering the child and its young on the same day does that just apply to a mother and 0:21 her offspring or to a father and the offspring as well on telling us that ultimately it only applies to the mother and its offspring. 0:33 Ultimately, again, telling us that it applies to the mother as well as to as well as to the father. 0:42 Um, I want to sh um All right. 0:44 You know what? We'll look uh we'll look at the in a little bit. 0:48 Let me just pull it up here so that I have it when we're ready. 0:51 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 0:53 Sorry. And this will be 16. 1:00 Okay. Fine. So that that is the now the says as follows. 1:11 So we'll say so comes along it says that follows namely that applies both to a mother and its young as well as to a father and its young say goes according to his reasoning. 1:30 Why? Here we go. 1:32 This is actually quite interesting. 1:38 Say the offspring of a horse. 1:43 even though again their father is a donkey. 1:47 Now we'll say that's not meant to be a that's just a literal statement. 1:50 The father's a donkey, right? 1:52 So the idea over here is the mother is a horse, the father's a donkey. 1:56 So we'll say so what's the status of that offspring? 2:02 Even though again ultimately the father is a donkey. 2:06 Nevertheless, the offspring are permitted to go ahead and you are permitted to mate the offspring together. 2:16 Now look at your ash for just a moment. 2:18 So you have a mother who's a horse, a father who is a donkey. 2:20 So I guess the offspring is a mule, right? 2:22 So what happens now? 2:24 If you have a male mule and a female mule, you can mate them together. 2:27 Now she says, So we'll say ultimately again so the idea of here is you could meet the offspring with each other. 2:45 So thear goes but ultimately again if the mother if we if you have offspring that comes from the mother that's a donkey right and or from a mother that's a horse ultimately again these will be user to go ahead and 3:05 marry one another. So the rashi says So, as you're going to see in just a moment, what a lot of this boils down to is does paternity play a role in animal identity? 3:26 Does paternity play a role in animal identity? 3:29 Or to say it simpler, do we say right? 3:34 Do we do we pay attention ultimately again to the father or do we just focus ultimately again on the mother? 3:40 says as follows. So did we say all of this is reflective of the view of what does say so ultimately is of the opinion that's not for paternity when it comes to animals say interestingly enough say that all types of 4:05 mules are treated the same. 4:07 So meaning whether the father's a donkey and the mother's a horse or the mother is a donkey and the father's a horse doesn't make any difference at the end of the day as long as the offspring come from the same 4:20 type of parents same men of parents ultimately again there will be no issue of crossbreeding no issue of so the says who are the ultimately again it is who says so I want to point out something very interesting over here. 4:39 So you see what's happening. 4:40 See, watch this case. 4:42 So let's assume for a moment that if you have two animals, a male and a really actually very interesting. 4:46 If you have two animals, right? 4:49 Father, father's a donkey, mother's a horse, right? 4:51 So it seems that everyone will agree that you can mate the offspring of those two unions together because they are the same. 5:01 The Shila comes up in the following situation. 5:03 Just follow this for just a moment. 5:04 So animal right couple one couple one father's a horse mother's a donkey they give birth to a male mule okay number two father's a donkey mother's a horse they give birth to a female mule can you go ahead and mate 5:22 that off on one hand on one hand if you say that paternity plays a role that means the identity of the father and the mother are both important and dominant which then tells you that what that essentially what the offspring 5:39 is the same. The offspring both are the product of a mule and a horse. 5:44 The fact that in one offspring it's a mother mother's a horse the second offering the father is a horse that doesn't make a difference. 5:50 If on the other hand you hold which means that paternity does not play a role in animal identity then what then essentially will say when determining the the identity of the animal who do we look at who do we look 6:04 at the mother and in that case again if the mother is a mule in one by by one and the mother is a horse in the other that'll be kilim ultimately again you'd be prohibited to go ahead and mate those 6:16 two species so that's the that's unfolding over say we are in test 79 a 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 lines down from the top here we go so does hold is he certain that we don't have to take 6:40 paternity into account which also means that in determining the identity of the animal we don't really look so much at the identity of the father but rather again it's the mother who's really almost solely determines identity. 6:55 Oh sapukimul or maybe Rabihuda isn't exactly so definitive. 7:02 In other words maybe he's not absolutely sure he just has a suffach and because of a suffach therefore he rules stringently. 7:09 So the gimar says what what does it matter at the end of the day? 7:14 Isn't the result the same? 7:15 To which the gimar says I'll tell you why it matters. 7:18 Preame I tell you why it matters. 7:22 Would you go ahead look at your for just a moment preimhaim? 7:29 So we'll say so the question would be literally translated do you permit the offspring to mate with its mother? 7:36 Now that's not literal. 7:37 Instead what it means is would you permit the offspring to mate with the same type of species that of its mother. 7:46 So for example, Rashi says it comes up. 7:52 Watch this. Let's say you have father's a donkey. 7:55 Father's a donkey. Mother is a horse. 7:58 They give birth maztov to a female, a mule. 8:04 So the shil is can you mate her with can you mate her with a horse? 8:10 Can you mate her with a horse? 8:11 Can you mate the offspring with the same species of the mother? 8:15 So I say so what does this mean? 8:16 Let's analyze this. So I'll say if you hold that ultimately holds definitively that we do not pay attention to paternity then preim the say if you're not concerned ultimately again with the zer which means I'm not concerned at all that 8:41 there's any donkey identity in this offspring but essentially again if the mother's a horse then the offspring is a horse then But there's no problem to mate it with a horse. 8:55 But if you want to say that ultimately again it's a suff. 8:58 We're not sure are we not then what? 9:05 Then you would not meet the offspring where the father is a donkey, the mother is a horse. 9:10 You would not mate that female offspring with what? 9:13 You wouldn't mate it with a horse. 9:14 That's the that's the say. 9:17 So what so so which way is it? 9:18 When when we say holds that we do not take paternity into account by animals. 9:25 So what are we talking about? 9:27 Is that a definitive statement or is that a suffix statement? 9:30 So here we go. 9:31 So says anything that is born of a horse. 9:38 This is the mother's a horse even though the father is mish donkey right a donkey through and through. 9:48 So we'll say what's so listen to this. 9:53 So anything that come So the way this sounds like is as follows. 9:57 Anything that comes from a horse, right? 10:00 Anything comes from a horse, even if the father is a donkey, the offspring of these unions are permitted to go ahead and are permitted to go ahead and uh breed with each other. 10:11 Say what's the case? 10:16 So say if you're telling me that there are two couples, right? 10:19 Two couples. Couple number one, the father is a donkey, mother's a horse. 10:23 Couple number two, the father's a donkey, the mother's a horse. 10:27 They both have offspring. 10:28 One male, one female between the two of them. 10:31 So what's the sh? 10:32 Of course, those two animals could mate. 10:34 Why? Because they're the same. 10:36 They're the same. So rather what what must we be saying? 10:44 It's here's the following case say in one case father's a donkey mother's a horse in case number two father's a horse mother's a donkey and what does the seem to be saying that you can mate their offspring with each other 11:01 we'll say ultimately again and it says you can mate them with each other so say so what does that tell you therefore ultimately again it must be clear that he holds that what to which the says low. 11:20 It's not true. The case actually we're talking about say is where the two couples are the same. 11:25 Right? Couple number one, father's a donkey, mother's a horse. 11:28 Couple number two, father's a donkey, mother's a horse. 11:30 They have offspring. And the B is telling me that the offspring is permitted to go ahead and marry each other. 11:37 So ultimately, again, you told me about that case is obvious that that offspring could mate with each other. 11:42 Why would there be a need to tell you? 11:44 I'll tell you why. 11:46 What would I have thought? 11:55 So say I thought as follows. 11:57 I'm a thought that maybe even in this case where both couples, father's a donkey, mother's a horse, one gives birth to a male, one gives birth to a female. 12:05 So you're saying it's obvious that the offspring is permitted to mate. 12:09 Why? Why? because they're mammish the same you know I would have thought as follows still each of these animals has I should say notadamar and sus maybe when they get together so that of one mates withad of the other that 12:31 of one mates with the of the other and that's problematic to which the says that's not the case we Look at their status. 12:41 Their status is they're both the products of the same exact type of union and therefore are permitted to mate with one another. 12:48 Tashma says if you have a mule, if you have a mule that is ready to accept a mate. 12:58 So now you want to bring a male to her. 13:00 So we'll say so you can't mate the female mule. 13:08 You can't mate her with a horse or with a donkey rather. 13:12 So what do you mate her with? 13:13 Ella Mina you find another mule right? 13:17 You can't go and m her with a horse or with a donkey ultimately because that would be crossbreeding. 13:22 Right? So instead you can only her with a donkey. 13:24 says she'd have to go ahead and make sure that you know that it's a male mule and you commit her with that. 13:38 And if you say ultimately again that according to it was that we do not worry about paternity then what ultimately again you could mate this mule with what the same type of species of her mother right in other words as 13:59 long as you know what the mother of the mule was you could mate her with that same type of species because to which the says Okay, the case that we're dealing with over here is we don't all we know is 14:11 about this this mule that we have in front of us. 14:14 We don't know what species her mother was. 14:16 So the says but one second but the explicitly says that you could only mate her with her type of species. 14:25 So you must know what her species is. 14:27 To which the says says this is what it means to say what the price means to say is you cannot mate her with a horse or with a donkey for you do not know exactly what species she belongs to. 14:48 So the said something very interesting. 14:50 So essentially what you're saying over here is you're a bit stuck in terms of how to have her breed because you're not exactly sure what her min is. 15:00 I'll give you a simple there's a way to check right there's a way to check how do you check says so apparently say the offspring of donkeys in other words donkeys have have deeper voices higher pitched voices are horses or 15:23 horses so why don't you uh I don't know have it sing a couple of notes you know whatever it is right to have have it go and make some sounds you could tell you tell if it's a donkey or if 15:31 it's a horse. There are other ways if it has long ears, right? 15:40 Longer ears and shorter tail. 15:43 That's a donkey. If it has smaller ears and a longer tail ultimately again that's a horse. 15:52 So we'll say so there are ways that you could check to figure out what the species is or specifically this would seem really to go ahead and tell us what species the mother was. 16:02 That's how the game seems to understand the checking of these sim. 16:06 So check the so I'll say three different sim voice deep voice donkey high pitched voice horse ears long ears donkey shorter ears horse tail long long tail donkey short tail horse just check to which the bosai bless what's the case 16:25 this is an animal with sus it's a mute animal vig and ultimately again its ears tails cut off so So the animals got a lot going on. 16:37 But but bottom bottom line is you don't have this in place to be able to check it. 16:41 So, okay. So, what's the So, do we say or not? 16:56 Everyone agrees that if you have an animal that is born, right? 17:00 Let's say for example, this animal that is that is the product of a and the mother is a horse, the father is a donkey. 17:07 So everyone agrees that what that you may not go ahead and mate this animal the offspring with the same species of the mother. 17:16 So for example the father's a let's keep it easy father's father father's a horse mother's a donkey you have the offspring in a ka you would not be permitted to mate that offspring with a donkey. 17:27 Why not? Because apparently again cuz apparently again we're not sure do we see does paternity play a role or not? 17:42 If if we were sure that paternity does not play a role, then what? 17:47 You would absolutely then then right then then we would say you could go ahead and make the animal in this way. 17:53 But because we're ultimately again you are not permitted to do this ultimately again indeed learn this say when you go out and you attach mules to my wagon to lead my wagon. 18:17 Do me a favor. 18:18 Make sure you examine the mules that they look exactly the same and only then attach them to my wagon. 18:26 So say what Aba is concerned about is what? 18:29 Right? Remember again is the prohibition of forbidden mixtures doesn't just say that you can't mate animals together but I should say different animals together which also what you can't work them together. 18:41 So apparently what Riab is saying is you're going to have my wagon pulled by mules. 18:45 Do me a favor. 18:46 I need you to do a physical inspection to make sure that they're the same. 18:49 Rashi says with their ears with their tail because I don't want to run into any problems. 18:58 So examine the animals, make sure they look the same and ultimately then you can hitch them up. 19:03 So the says as follows. 19:07 So ultimately again first of all you see that what Rabi Abba holds that we are notes for paternity right that ultimately again we only look at the identity of the mother and paternity again does not play a role over here 19:20 says over here remember again if you hold so pretty much all mules mules will never be with each other why not A mule is the product of right a horse and a donkey. 19:41 So we'll say if you hold that paternity plays a role. 19:45 There's never a problem with kime with mules. 19:48 Why? Why? Because they're the same. 19:50 The fact that one mule has a father who is a donkey, a mother who's a horse, and the second mule has a father who's a horse and a mother who's a donkey is irrelevant because paternity plays a role. 20:01 It's only if you hold that ultimately again we don't look at paternity. 20:07 you only look at the mother that you could have a problem with putting mules together cuz say you could have a situation where even though quote unquote both animals are mules if one of them the mother is a donkey and 20:20 one of them the mother is a horse putting those two together say would it be kilion isn't that interesting isn't that interesting excellent right right why he goes because amazingly enough they're both mules that's the interesting part about this right 20:35 they are both mules but again Remember everything but the question is you could be called a mule but yet still be dissimilar from another mule. 20:46 Everything depends on whether or not we take paternity into account because remember again with this mule you could be a mule with a mother who's a donkey and you could be a mule with a mother who is a horse. 21:00 If you hold in therefore again all we look at is the mother which means if you put two mules together that could still be if one of them has a donkey mother and one of them has a horse mother that 21:13 paternity plays a role that's beautiful. 21:15 Why? Because then we look at the identity of both parents. 21:18 When you look at the identity of both parents then we know every mule is the same because every mule has one parent who's a horse, one parent who's a donkey and therefore again there's no crossbreeding. 21:27 Amazing. So the say as follows. 21:29 So therefore I will say the fact that Rabi Abba says to his says to his servant, "Do me a favor." 21:35 Visual inspection of the mules. 21:37 I guess I guess mules also look a little bit different. 21:40 I guess if the mother's a donkey or the mother's a horse, the fact that you can't just put two mules together, but you need to do this investigation before you put them together tells us that what that we do not 21:53 take paternity into account, only maternity. 21:55 So turn the page. 21:58 Number two, what else do we see from here? 22:00 Something very interesting. And I will say what you also see over here is something very interesting which is that physical qualities physical qualities are enough to create biblical status. 22:11 Look at say interestingly enough remember again the prohibition of working with forbidden mixtures is a biblical prohibition yet interestingly enough you see that Rabi Abba is telling his servant that as long as you could physically right as long as you 22:38 could see a difference that's enough as long as of the animal look the same. 22:43 That's good enough. You see from here that are that the ability to physically identify something with external signs is enough to create the biblical reality. 22:55 So we'll say so amazingly enough. 22:57 So if you remember again going back to our aus days feels like years ago because it is years ago right? 23:03 So say so again remember I lose an object you find it I go over to you you say no problem give me a simmon I give you a simmon my ability to provide a sim to defi to to provide a 23:15 defining mark or characteristic of that trait allows me to retain or regain ownership on a biblical level it's amazing no we'll say we go back there so first of all um all right let me let me All right, let me 23:34 tell you this because I don't want to keep you in too much suspense. 23:37 Listen to this. So says as well actually I'm going to say that supposed to be the prohibition of applies in crossbreeds right and now we'll say now what is a we're going to define it but look at ashi for just 23:57 a moment second short line in rashi. 24:02 So we'll say a kai is the result ultimately again of a goat which mates with a deer a goat and the deer produce ultimately again a koi right that's what it's called says so by the way you're going to see 24:21 the interesting part about a is that what what's fascinating about this is you have a father who is a behemoth again not a descriptive ter or a descriptive term, right? 24:33 Midas, right? A father who's a behemoth and the mother who's a really doesn't sound right. 24:39 Right. So I say, so again, I just want to point out why this is a very interesting animal classification. 24:44 Father's a bea, mother's, right? 24:47 Two different No, I think I know a lot of people like that. 24:50 So, so, so, so interestingly enough, that's the result over here. 24:54 So we're going to see this poses all kinds of interesting issues but for our purposes right now the says that kilim apply excuse me ov applies to killay. 25:04 So if you have an animal that's a result of crossbreeding and a koi right now a koi is also a result of crossbreeding the reason why a k is different is why because I just said it's crossbreeding between a behema 25:15 and a kaya. That's unique. 25:17 Normally when we speak about crossbreeding we normally speak about still crossbreeding within the same categories. 25:23 Thank you. right of with so is going to be different. 25:28 Watch this. So says I agree that ultimately applies to crossbreeding but only when you have crossbreeding within the same category. 25:42 So for example if you have a goat which mates with a sheep a goat that meets with a sheep that's kim but ultimately again the result is still subject to a sovia spino. 25:53 However, so we'll say comes he disagrees. 25:59 He says subject to to as long as that cross that was in the same categories. 26:07 Once you go from category once you do once you do intercategory crossbreeding like together like a does not apply to that. 26:22 What's the case of that argue about this is this is an animal which is the result ultimately again of a goat and a deer a goat and a deer what's the case if you want to say it's a goat a 26:44 male goat which mates with a female deer vela and ultimately again and it gives birth and say what's the case? 26:56 So now so now the male goat fathers a child with the female deer gives birth to offspring. 27:02 If you're telling me now that what's the case and then go and she the mother the deer and I go out and then she the afterwards. 27:11 So is that the case mean is that the case of that you're referring to say everyone agrees that what that if the mother is a deer and her offspring her offspring is a goat that ultimately again there is no after 27:32 all what does the Torah say it is very clear in of that what does it say which I will say tells you what tells you that the of applies to behemoths doesn't apply to so ultimately again if you're shacking the 27:59 mother the deer and then you're shacking her offspring afterwards doesn't apply to that case right because why because of the mother the mother herself who is a a deer Ovo is clearly stated in the context of behemoth not in the 28:13 context of Ellos rather what do you have to say the case is and I was say so if you're telling me now that ovo applies to a kai so I would have thought again the simplest application of that is you 28:25 shacked the kai's mother the kai's mother is a the kai's mother is a is a dear and then you the kai that's a that can't be the case we're referring to why because everyone agrees apparently that the mother is not 28:40 in the par of why because ultimately again she is a she I'm sorry she's a right and the says so what's the case so what's the case the case is where you have a male deer that ultimately mated with a 29:02 female goat and what happens valda she has offspring the kashak Oh, so we'll say this case a little bit better. 29:12 In this case over here, the father is the deer, the mother is the goat, the mother gives birth, and now what's going to happen in the sh the mother and her offspring on the same day. 29:23 So remember again, the mother is a behemoth, right? 29:26 The mother is a behemoth, the offspring is a right. 29:31 So maybe that's the case of said everyone agrees where the mother is a goat and the offspring is a deer ultimately again that you will be why ultimately say that's an easy interesting says that's an easy case right come on 29:59 don't give me that right that's easy that's too obvious is the mother in that case is a so if the mother is a then what then what there's nothing to talk about is actually very interesting because if the mother is 30:09 a remember how does the Torah phrase the prohibition ov which tells me that as long as the mother fits into the c category of aim the prohibition of applies to the mother and her offspring whatever the nature of that offspring 30:25 so that case is obvious so we'll say tell me tell me case of ultimately again will be subject to which says okay we're going to go back to what we said before back to what we said before the cases where you 30:46 have a goat which mates with a deer right the mother is a deer the father is a goat what happens vas now here we go they have offspring they give birth to a female animal yen And then the daughter has 31:02 a child right the daughter gives birth to male bless you gives birth to male offspring oh what's happening over here the case of is actually not talking about the not talking about the dear mother rather what's like a family tree 31:21 over here right they've got father goat mother deer mazav they have offspring ona she's called we'll call Kai simple easy to understand right Kai right that she's ka then has a son we'll call him kai right kai so says so 31:42 what happens now what what do we sing so the is if you go ahead and you k and you son on that same day that's the prohibition of right so that's the case of that is subject ultimately again to ovino. 32:01 So watch this. I shouldn't say the that's the case we're dealing with over here. 32:06 So daughter and her son Ben ultimately again are getting on the same day. 32:13 I shouldn't say that is is that to which the says ultimately again we are for paternity if for paternity therefore what therefore say this this is called the right this k is called the and then remember again This kite has 32:43 some level of sheep identity and if the if the k has some level of sheep identity therefore it's subject to we are not ultimately again in the we are not for paternity and therefore what excuse me ultimately again a partial 33:06 paternal sheep identity does not play any role in creating the identity of this animal. 33:14 >> I'm sorry. Made it with a with a I'm sorry. 33:18 Right. Made it with a That's the case over here. 33:24 She says I So one second. 33:29 So one second. So why don't we say why don't we say over here that they're just having another So we're back to kind of where we were before. 33:39 Does paternity play a role in animal identity or not? 33:44 If that's what you're arguing about, just say it. 33:47 To which the says, I'm sorry, right? 33:57 Because if you would just frame the ultimately against or not I might have thought that even the hold say a partial sheep identity does not play a role over here that that is not the case I want to show you 34:23 something very interesting here in this case we see as follows. 34:26 If you have the kai, if you have the kai and you sh we're going to spend time on this going be another parak in if if so say so the is the is that if you have to cover the blood 34:43 right what happens if you so we're going to discuss this about preparing dirt ahead of time if you don't have dirt prepared ahead of time so interestingly enough the Mishna says ideally you Shouldn't she aai on y? 34:59 Why not both? Because interestingly enough, we're not sure what the status of a kai is. 35:04 Remember again a kai is the result of a behema and a right. 35:08 So ultimately again because we're not sure about the identity of a kai. 35:13 Therefore what we are better off not shing it on. 35:19 Why? This way you avoid any issues of says and if you did we do not go ahead and cover it. 35:34 Look at you just a moment. 35:40 So the issue over here is let's say for argument sake for our purposes right now dirt is right. 35:45 So therefore again I might have license to move dirt. 35:50 If an animal is biblically obligated in Adam the problem is if I have a kai I don't know what its identity is. 35:57 If I don't know what it identity is I can't start moving dirt on. 36:01 So therefore what's the simple remedy don't now what if you did if you did is don't cover the blood don't move the dirt for this purpose. 36:15 says, "What's the case?" 36:18 So, let's analyze this. 36:18 What kind of are we talking about? 36:20 Here we go. If you're talking about a goat which made it with a deer and then gave birth to offspring, [clears throat] right? 36:36 Both according to the andar ultimately again we should and we should cover the blood. 36:42 Why? Because ultimately again why we say watch this if you hold because remember even if you hold I should say whe or don't hold this animal is what part deer if it's part deer then what's the it should be in 37:07 right whether you're a whole deer part of a deer if you have deer your identity in some way you should be rather what do you have to say the cases rather you have to say that it's talking about a male 37:23 deer which mates with a female goat oh gives birth now say now the sh is what do I do if I want to if what do I do with this so saying to the ultimately again I can sh and I 37:40 could cover the blood why say why holds what? 37:44 [snorts] And therefore, paternity plays a role. 37:49 Therefore, what? This animal is part what? 37:52 Part deer. And because it's part deer, therefore it gets a current say that's easy. 38:05 Then what? Then what? 38:06 What is it? It's not a deer. 38:09 If it's not a deer, then what? 38:10 there's no if there's no then what the problem here to which the says in reality again the rabbis are they're just not sure say in fact they're just not sure do we say we're just not sure So, and from the 38:41 fact that ultimately is definitively sure that what we learned that what the kohanic portions which normally apply to animals, right? 39:02 The is the fore leg, the ka, the stomach, the chest. 39:07 It applies to a koi and to a when you have a kil you still have to give gifts from these animals says if you have that comes from a goat and a sheep that you have to give matos but watch 39:27 this if it comes from say one thing that everybody agrees with is what the only time you're obligated to give matonos right portions is from a behemoth Not from so saying you have to give it from what type of a 39:42 sheep with a goat but from you would not have to give what type of so asking on if we're talking about a goat which mates with a deer gives birth so says you don't have to give from such a case 40:00 like that it makes sense why Because he in order for it to have a sheep identity, it has to have complete sheep identity. 40:10 Partial identity doesn't make you a sheep. 40:17 But according to who say that even partial sheep identity is enough to categorize you as a sheep, I understand why half of the don't have to give to the coen. 40:29 Right? Why? Because why? 40:30 Because half of the animals are obligated. 40:37 And for the other portion, let the owner of the animal say to the coin, bring that for paternity. 40:43 And if you could prove that, I will give you your other portion. 40:46 Rather, what do you have to say we're dealing with over here? 40:51 We must be talking about a goat. 40:53 Uh, sorry, a deer which made it with a goat. 40:57 according to what does it mean when you say to give 50% of the gifts to reflect ultimately again the 50% of but according to the entire amount the entire amount says not at all and therefore this is a this is 41:22 a goat to which the says you're Rather again, what are we dealing with over here? 41:29 With a deer which made it with a goat and gave birth ultimately again and himself is also or not. 41:45 So say we'll stop over here. 41:48 We'll stop we'll stop over here and we'll say we end off in a very interesting place. 41:52 It appears that our sug has come full circle and essentially our entire discussion rests on this concept. 42:00 Do we recognize paternity by animals or not? 42:05 We thought ultimately again that this was a defined with ultimately saying telling us and we come now to the point where it seems to be everyone is as a say by everyone do we say or not so we'll say how 42:27 we resolve that or I should say how we resolve that suffic Hashem
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